I checked my Morrowind and Oblivion boxes and they both have different publishers:

Morrowind-Ubisoft
Oblivion-2K

Maybe they got a new publisher representing them or they're using 2K again

I would have thought they'd publish their own games now that Bethesda is such a famous name after Oblivion and Fallout 3. Unless for some reason that's just not possible?

As far as the "biggest game of the show" goes, my money is on Gears of War 3. Cliff Bleszinski has been far too quiet on the gaming front recently... It may not be MY idea of the biggest game of the show, but with the huge popularity of the series, I can definitely see it happening.

I sure don't. I found much of the plot line in MW to be tedious and I"m sure others did as well. In fact, I have pretty much given up on MW's main quest due to my inability to progress. When I threw my hands up in disgust about not knowing how to proceed and consulted the Wiki, I realized I'd NEVER have figured it out on my own. I see no sense in 'playing' a game where I print out a walk through and then just follow it step by step until the game finishes.

I never have claimed to be more than a causal gamer, but Bethesda has profited from my purchases of OB and MW just as much as it did from the money of the dedicated CRPG players out there. Since I was able to make it through OB on my own except for a few nudges from this forum, I would like to see that sort of game rather than once again my char wandering around the scenery having no idea what to do next. In fact, probably the worst thing any game can do is to leave the player stuck at a dead end. MW did it time after time to me and I'm at a permanent dead end now in the MQ.

How about we compromise? We have a MQ in TES V which is keyed about where OB is and a few expansions full of talky office politics for you MW fanatics to get lost in? That way we both get our money's worth.

It was already pretty well known that Bethesda was developing Fallout 3 ever since they acquired the IP, so the announcement was less shrouded in mystery. Oblivion, however, was a different matter. There was nothing, even flat out denials, until the countdown timer just showed up rather unexpectedly. Even then, no one was quite sure what it meant because that's all there was...that's when the forums exploded with speculation.


I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but I highly doubt Bethesda will announce on the VGA's. It's just not their usual MO, and it seems that everyone's confidence for hope is in reality still groping for straws. I would much enjoy being proven wrong by Bethesda, but it's looking to me that next year is more promising for an announcment (and NOT at E3).


EDIT: In response to the above post: I did not enjoy that the quests were idiot-proofed in Oblivion. I agree that there were points where MW's quests seemed almost broken because of the lack of helpful information; I think Oblivion's result was an over-correction of that. However, that's part of what makes sandbox games so enjoyable to me. I love games where I'm just thrown into the foreign world and have to find my way around without annoying hand-holding. Provide a compass for those who would prefer not to use their brain, but for the rest of us please build the quests so that the compass isn't necessary and can be turned off.

Haha? You came to a dead end? In a TES game? Hahaha.

As for the speculation on 2k being a possible publisher for TES:V, i'm afraid wikipedia says otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Video_Game_Awards

"Also featured will be a mystery shooter from 2K Games"

So depending on whether you trust wikipedia or not, and whether you believe guns will be present in TES:V, make of this what you will.

No, that shooter has been known about for a while, we're talking about the games that haven't even been teased yet.

Dead end in the MQ. Try reading my post again this time w/o your really devoted fan glasses on.

Try not killing everybody you come across. The game tells you when you've broken the main quest ("You have broken the thread of prophecy yada-yada-yada"). Save the game at your own discretion.

If you really are that badly stuck, there is a backpath to beat the game, but it comes with its own risks. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn_and_Wraithguard

You're exactly why the Elder Scrolls are being dumbed down. It used to be a niche producted aimed at hard-core RPG fans; those of us who actually don't mind getting stuck and love the challenge of figuring out very difficult conundrums. Yes, you do sometimes have to wander around stuck. The sweet isn't as sweet without the bitter. But if I were you I wouldnt' worry, the next game should be a paint by numbers affair where you will have your hand held nicely through the whole game if Oblivion is any indication.

But then again, if Fallout 3 is any indication, it should kick loads of ass.

And for all those posting lists of publishers, remember that not all attendees have been mentioned or have claimed they will be there. Spike said as much themselves that there will be many surprises.

I'm not saying Bethesda will be there, but I'm certainly not claiming they won't be.

Ok. First, I"m not killing everyone. I don't ever strike first.

The problem isn't that I killed an important NPC. The problem is that I am utterly uninterested in the plot at this point enough to try to wade through it by printing a walk through and then following it step by step until I get to a point where I can move the story line forward on my own.

I am not interested in what I think of as talky office politics as a game. I'm at a point where there is nothing but talk and politics where, if the Wiki is right, I need to placate that guy to do this but if I placate too much, I annoy some other guys upstream so I would need to reload a few hours of tedious game play and redo it.

I will agree that this is very close to real life so satisfies one aspect of a RPG! However, I don't play games to indulge in reality but to leave it for a while.

I am fine with puzzles inserted into games. That's not where I'm revolting against MW. Let me call it excessive reality. Doing a bunch of tedious UPS chores to placate some NPC only to annoy another that I find out about downstream to then reload and replay what I consider very poorly designed gameplay isn't my idea of how I wish to spend my time.

If widening the game to move beyond the hard core (which we can agree that I"m not) is a bad thing in your view, then it is. I doubt it can be a bad thing from Bethesda's view moving from a niche (your word) to a wider audience. My take is that OB was a huge hit commercially. Apparently it was a disappointment to you and I know it was to others, but it also allowed we who aren't the hardest of the core to enjoy it as well as buying the expansion packs, etc.

Understand that while OB may have been a walkthrough to you, it wasn't to me. I had quite a bit of difficulty in many areas, but never gave up due to boredom. Is boredom your idea of good game play so you can better enjoy the parts which aren't boring? That strikes me as strange.

I offer as proof to you that OB isn't a walkthrough to many if not most that you visit the OB forum here. You'll see post after post that people are having problems with the game. That people are is proof to me that Bethesda didn't pitch the game too easy even if it was too easy for you.

You may think it reality (for example) that an NPC give you WRONG instructions at to something's location. I will agree that it's more real than in OB where there is little ambiguity about location, but gee, I can get wrong directions within 1 km of my house. I am hardly going to buy a game to get the same thing.

So then you're not stuck, you're just too stubborn to play through it?

Then it's not the game's problem. It's yours. You must not have played many RPGs if you get tired when there is a part of talking. Oh god help you if you play KotOR.


Oblivion's journal pop ups, telling you what to do and what your character thinks, are concrete examples of Oblivion's railroading quests. One way, chooochoooo.

Bud... you misunderstood the PURPOSE of angering another NPC. You're SUPPOSED to do that. This coming from a player who originally played OB, moved to MW, and loved MW much more.

I don't see how you could have broken the game.

I certainly don't want TES to be dumbed down any more. They've got a devoted fanbase from OB; TES V is guaranteed to be a commercial success if they advertise it correctly. So provide a little more hardcoe, niche gameplay, please!

Aye, but that shooter covers 2k's involvement at the VGAs. Some people were guessing that 2k's game might be TES:V.

There's still a chance that it could appear as one of the few games that are being kept in the dark... but who knows. Kick ass if it is! But not unexpected if it isn't.

It's too boring. If you wish to say I'm too stubborn to play a game which bores me, then say it. I talk all the time or hear talk all the time in my real life. I want to adventure a bit in my gaming existence.

Let's say some guy spends his entire day selling hats. Often he deals with customers who bug the squat out of him & then don't even buy the hats they've tried on for hours in his store.

So he buys MW. He gets to a part where he has to sell hats for hours and hours of game time to customers who just annoy him. He would give up too and you'd all him stubborn or some other name I'm sure. Maybe you are right and me and Mr. Hat are wrong, but Bethesda wants to sell games rather than play to a few hard cores living in their mom's basemant.

Not to sound like a moderator or anything, but may i remind you that this is the ONLY speculation thread we have. If this gets locked because of your childish argument then i'll move my scope away from Todd to you guys :gun: ! Please stop arguing and lets go back to speculation :nope: if you want to continue arguing, PM each other or something.

Anywaaaays...whats the next gaming conference, in-case the VGA's turn out to be a fluke.

Oh. So you work for UPS. Then yes, the game will probably be a living hell until you get to the Ashlands part.

EDIT: Anyway, you're right, UnknownK. I personally believe we've got the time and the locations pretty narrowed down. I believe they'll announce it 2010 at latest, and then release it in the holiday season, with MAJOR advertising. I predict a semi-return to more weapons and depth now that BGS has captured its target audience successfully.

Have faith people! If Beth were mentioned on the list then everyone wouldnt need to tune into the whole show! I bet after watching hours of awards we will see something at the very end. I live in the UK and will be staying up till god knows when in dire hope that they show us something. The games that are not mentioned could be red dead redemption which looks ace.. and like someone mentioned earlier Gears of war 3.. but come on folks there is only one bloomin game on peoples minds..

Anyway If beth are up for awards for Fallout 3 whos gonna be there then eh?!!!!!!!

of course the are!!!

Well, I'm plenty excited for the other games that will be revealed, so if TESV isn't announced, I wont be too disappointed. But there's no harm in having hope.



Well this is an awards show, and there will be plenty in the next couple of weeks but this is one of the biggest. The next major game conference is E3, but plenty of people think Bethesda wont reveal it there. :shrug:

I have no idea where it would be revealed if not either here or at E3. Unless they do some sort of magazine reveal. Which game was it that did that? Oblivion or Fallout 3? Or was it both?

Erm. Keep in mind that Morrowind sold just as well as Oblivion, and likely only slightly less than FO3 (ironic, really, because many of FO3's mechanics are very reminiscent of Morrowind's mechanics). So either there is a veritable army of hardcoes living in their moms' basemants, or there are lots and lots of people who are not hardcoes living in their moms' basemants who enjoy the complexity and myriad experience that Morrowind has to offer.




I'm fairly pessimistic about the VGAs, to be honest. Though that trademark clock is tick-tick-ticking, so Bethesda's running out of venue space that fits into their patterns in which to announce a game.

EDIT: Yeah, both Oblivion and FO3 were announced with GameInformer.

GDC is the next major conference. Mainly targetted towards technology rather than software, but it's still one of the key gaming events of the year. Should be happening in March.

I'm sure we'll hear something about Bethesda's big game by the time E3 is over. By that point it will have been 2 years since Fallout 3, and even if the game isn't TES:V, they've definitely been working on something all this time.

Well if it's the VGAs then it'll be soon, if it's not I really can't conceive of it not being announced at or before E3 of this year, even with my overactive imagination, simply because it's been so long and it's a cash cow for the hardcoe crowd. What's not to like?

When does the next novel come out?