No announcement yet.

If they don't announce it E3, fine. But if it is not announced by next E3, then I will summon my army of cliff racers to eat Todd Howard alive.

For anyone outside of America (like us Brits) that aren't allowed to stream the VGAs from Spike's site, here's a livestream link so you can catch it all as it happens: http://www.justin.tv/blindxlink

I don't think crossing our fingers will help our chances much though

Well the VGA awards had just started, and dad arrives at my hosue 2 hours late and wants to go out for lunch. When I got back it was over.

Did I make him go play paintball last week? No.
Did I make him pull his archilies tendand? No.
Did I wait 2 hours for him to get a cast put on? Yes.
Did I miss the VGA awards? Yes.

Well, no announcement at the VGAs. [censored]. I didn't think there was going to be an announcement, but I was still hoping.

A question to those who watched the VGAs: Concerning the "first time world premiers," will a TES V be more enthusiastically received than the premiers at the VGAS? I just really wasn't that excited about a lot of the new game previews?well maybe a couple..


I haven't been that engaged in the gaming world until just about a couple years ago and I'm just curious about how a TES announcement will go over ? is it just us TES forum users and hard core fans that will be super excited or will the announcement be huge? What was it like when Oblivion was announced?

This should answer your question:

When OB was announced there was an actual mention of it on the seven o'clock national news.

Also, everyone I know, who was over the age of 7 when OB was released, and who plays videogames, has at least heard of OB, most have played it, and many have wasted thousands of hours, as most on the forum have.

Of course TESV wasn't announced at the VGAs. The VGAs consist mostly of meaningless celebrity-driven drivel, very few companies ever really take it seriously. The only announcement of any note that came out of this year's VGAs is the new Batman game. If Beth is going to announce TESV next year, they're either going to do it independently of a game convention or do it at E3. That's how pretty much all companies roll with their major IPs.

Wait, I've noticed a change in the forum over the last week:

There are topics about TES5!

A week or so ago just putting the number 5 in a post was liable to get it locked because everything having to do with that game goes here or in the suggestions thread.

But today I go browsing and I see 4 un-official threads of the type that usually get locked the second they show up....

I feel a change in the winds, we fight at dawn.

That's roughly a true statement, but that change occurred more like several months/a year ago, and it's just because there was too much damn stuff to lock, I guess. Not some secret hinting from the mods, who in any case know no more than you or I do.

I can't find any statistics on VGchartz over morrowind, how much did morrowind actually sell, and where can I see stuff like that?

the guys at gamestop say the next tes will not come out before 2012
as for bethesda do they really care about their fans?

if they do wait that long and they might
they willlose a lot of interest in their game
people forget

i finally have stopped playing oblivion and fallout 3
has not held my interest

there are a ton of great games coming out the next few months
so if bethesda does not reveal something soon
people will just turn to other interests and forget about tes
with the economic climate that may not be the smartest thing to do

so see you in 2012 as so far gamestop has been far more correct than the speculation i see on here

there is actually a pretty good chance that it comes out in 2012, if the book follows correctly then it would make sense, remember everything that Bethesda does is a form of promotion for anything tagged by bethesda, even if it's as simple as printing a comic book, that counts as promotion, i believe what the marketing department for bethesda are planning in terms of TES, is to accumulate hype from things such as brink and wet, which could contribute to any future games, e.g. TES, even if you forget about TES and fallout, Brink and wet are likely to develop, that development is enough to bring people's attention to TES.

Basically what i'm saying is, even if every person on the forums lost interest, they would still have enough interested consumers for future games, n other words, they dont need us :cryvaultboy:

LMAO, some random guy working at Gamestop somehow knows more than Bethesda itself does? They haven't even confirmed they're working on it yet, much less given us a release date. Your little friend at Gamestop is just making things up.

As for "they don't care about there fans," wow, that's pretty ignorant. Just because we don't know what Bethesda is working on right now, doesn't mean they don't care about their fans. That's like saying Valve doesn't care about their fans because they haven't announced Half Life 7 yet. :rolleyes:

I don't believe a guy from Gamestop and I will never lose interest in TES series. The only games I actually am excited about are TES V and, to a lesser degree, Fallout 4.

Dragon age origins? Can't say no to that, bioware did a great job in that game, i've heard, gonna get it myself next week

And they made multiplatform without one having an effect on the other, which I believe some people here find important.

Hold on there, pal. Gamestop doesn't get secret info from anyone, that was the speculation of whoever you asked. I should know, as a Gamestop employee we get information maybe a day earlier than everyone else because of the GI magazine being delivered to us first, then we put it on shelf and anyone who walks in knows. Trust me, Gamestop as a company does not know anything about it, the only people who know even thing 1 about TESV are bethesda employees.

At least there was some good things at the VGAs to bide my time with, ME2, Halo: Reach, Arkham 2 and Force Unleashed 2 have my interest piqued.

I have no information, but I've picked up over the years that OB very much out sold MW. I didn't reply to the poster replying to me that MW and OB sold about the same because I have no source for saying such.

The other issue is how much either game whetted the appetite for the player to buy the next in the series. If I'd started with MW I may have given up on TES games. OB hooked me into the series and I'd probably be among the first to buy the next in the series if and when it's available.

Well, since it was the only "real" next-gen game when the 360 first came out, many 360s tended to be bought with Oblivion alongside, hence the vague idea that the console version outsold the PC and Oblivion outsold Morrowind. Think how the Wii Twilight princess outsold the GCN version and you'd have a fairly reasonable idea of how that pattern works.

Hm. I had based my statement on a developer comment I remembered reading some time ago, but I can't locate it now, so it's inadmissible.

That said, http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6147356 While I can't now demonstrate that Morrowind had indeed sold around the same as Oblivion, the fact remains that 1) Morrowind is now 7 years old, and yet you can still find it at your local Best Buy or sometimes Walmart. That is an achievement unmatched by most games. 2) Morrowind existed on only 2 platforms, whereas Oblivion existed on 3, which naturally == somewhat higher sales for the latter independent of its reception and design style.


Another interesting point to note: Those who started with Morrowind did the exact same thing for Oblivion. Those who played Morrowind weere among the first to get hyped over TES:IV and among the first to go out and buy it. Which arguably swelled Oblivion's sales numbers even further. Just as Daggerfall fans swelled Morrowind's sales numbers further.

I get the feeling you're trying to make TES:III out as this fringe game. Keep in mind that Morrowind players essentially financed Oblivion. Its sales and popularity couldn't have been too terrible, then.

Further, I'm not saying that I want a Morrowind 2. FO3 is by no means a Morrowind 2, and yet FO3 echoes with Morrowind-tone and feeling.

This point is even more important when you consider that the only console Morrowind was available on was the Xbox, which moved hardly any units compared to the PS2 and Gamecube. At a guess i'd say only 15% of console owners had an Xbox last gen, and if you exclude the Wii (it's not the target audience for TES at all) we now have 100% of console owners able to play Oblivion. That's going to make a huge impact on software sales.

sounds reasonable, it didn't mean to question your sources, I was just trying to see it for myself.



I don't see morrowind as a fringe game, at least it was not at the time it came out, as far as I know it was state of the art. I merely wanted to see the sales of the game, because as far as I know, Oblivions sales were approximately 10% PC, I think summer said that once. Anyways if that is true, and Morrowind sold just as much as all of Oblivions sales, either a lot of people have crossed platform, or interest in oblivion has lead to interest in morrowind. It's annoying that VGchartz doesn't have any information on morrowind sales (or even OB PC sales), because then I would be able to see if there was a spike in sales of morrowind, after Oblivion came out.

To my knowing, companies do not release sales figures so what has sold what and where and on what isn't knowable unless some insider chimes in here. As to what sold more, OB or MW, it probably is less a matter of what platforms they were on (2 or 3) and more what genre of games was hot at their respective releases as well as what else was available.

Even if one vastly outsold the other, it doesn't mean that TES V will be modeled on the better seller. A company has to look forward and not backward. Sure, if TES V came out tomorrow, many if not all on this board would buy it based on it being TES. There you got, what, 1,000 sales? So the next version needs to be a better investment for the company than a different brand of RPG or even different genre of game.

What would the ideal game be for players? Clearly upgraded graphics even from the excellent OB and a story as complex (or more) than MW. That's a heck of a long term investment of assets to create. We very well may be at a point where something that elaborate cannot be made for the projected sales of such a product.

If so, bad news for us.

Well, the fringe game part wasn't directed at you, but at Slide. Sorry for the mixup. And I agree that 'twould be nice to have detailed sales info for both Morrowind and Oblivion. IIRC, Bethesda likes to keep that stuff locked up for whatever reasons.



So I took yet another look at the Skyrim trademark. The extensions, from what I can see, last for 6 months. Bethesda received for their fourth and (IIRC) last extension on September 22nd. Which would put the expiration of that extension in late March. If the 4th really is the last, then they have to file a statement of use before that time. Because of that, E3 is too late to expect an announcement. GDC is March 9-13, so it might be a possibility there. Game Informer has a few issues between now and then. If the 2nd novel is getting released before that time, it might also serve as a candidate for info. What other events or possible info hooks are we forgetting?

Now that is some interesting stuff. Where did you see this "last extension" was asked for and recieved? You have my attention and my little heart is happy atm. :unsure: