You have certainly conquered the art of whining about small details.

Magic is completely different in this game. Maybe spell making doesn't make sense. So I'm going to trust that Bethesda knows what they're doing instead of listening to the inane ramblings of people who have never played this game or have any idea of how it works. Remember, assuming makes an ass out of you.

Spell making was never cornerstone of TES series. Open world role playing in a persistent world is the cornerstone of it. That's like claiming that spears or acrobatics are the cornerstone of the series. You are out of your mind.

Yeah, curse Baldur's Gate and their total lack of RPG-ness!

All of their spells are set, you cannot change them.

And there are the classes, making a clear path about your character development.
Wait a minute, isn't classes too RPG elements? oo:

I know, but there's so much LAmenting becuase th eMage is getting "nerfed" but the mage was mega-overpowered in Oblivion, so nerfing him makes sense. Spelll Creation is the only legitmate complaint in the magic department.

Baldur's gate was WONDERFUL for what it was WHEN it came out ( nearly two console generations ago i.e. ten thousand years back in the gaming world). It has, to this day, probably the best drop in/drop out local co-op in an RPG, with the possible exception of Fable IIIs, which pretty much mirrored the Baldur's Gate precedent.

That said, Baldur's Gate is a game from "back in the day." A Console game from way back when, at that. It cannot reasonably be expected to have all the features and abilities of a current gen game on the cusp of next gen in terms of release date etc. We are discussing features that Elder Scrolls games have traditionally offered which may now be diminished or absent. It is another story altogether.

OP can you hear that sound?


It's the worlds smallest violin playing your song.


Cheer up, Skyrim will be the greatest RPG any of us have ever played.

You hear that? It's the sound of noone crying, because you can always mod the spells in, or mod in a custom spellmaking feature of your own. And if you own a console (like me), then you should already accept that you agreed to bite the bullet on anything you didn't like about the game.

As to the magic, while I am pleased with the enhanced visuals, I have a growing fear that it will be more flash but at the cost of being less fury. . . or at least, less effeciency and less effectiveness. If the vast majority of spells outside of the school of Destruction (i.e. the duration spells of Alteration, Illusion, Conjouration etc.), spells like waterbreathing and light, no longer have an upfront magicka cost and set durations, but now require the user to channel the spell in a constant cast mode that effectively ties up one hand (and possibly both, depending on the spell) then magic use, despite the enhanced special effects, will be greatly diminished from what it has been in previous ES games. You might no longer be capable of maintaining more than two spell effects at a time, which is a SEVERE degradation from what a powerful spellcaster could achieve in earlier games.

That is an entirely subjective bit of tripe. Magic, if carefully managed in Oblivion, was poerful, and could overwhelm lesser foes, as it should have done. Other skills could also be overpowering to lesser foes once the player became very powerful, which is proper.

There was no mandate to use powerful spells.

Anyway, don't dance on the grave of magic users just yet. By all indicators, the magic in Skyrim will still allow you to pawn enemies. It will simply be, possibly, less efficient to use, and less effective in things like lighting dungeons and breathing water.