..What the heck am I reading?

Going by Beth history and what they've said, we already know. Yes, its series. The Elder Scroll series.

Yes, but you can't claim speed, acrobatics, unarmed are out - as we have not seen all the perk trees - it's unlikely, but until you have seen all the trees, you can't 100% make that assumption. There is no specific athletics or acrobatics skill, sure - but it does not mean speed and jumping being increaseable are out.

Spell making has been confirmed as not included. But they chose to do so for what I see as a valid reason "taking the magic out of magic by making it numbers on a spreadsheet" - sure, I didn't use it much - aside from ways to make stats stupid high. But now we have the ability to dual wield spells - just seems a better change for me. And with attributes as we know them mostly gone, most breaking type spell use is not really there anymore, and most of what I could think of would be using two different spells at once... which dual wielding spells fixes.

No... we don't. End of discussion.

They said there's no H2H perks. Spell making was the magic in magic.


The vets know.

As long as the features that were cut are justifiable or replaced by something better I couldn't care less but for Skyrim such doesn't seem to be the case. Right now Skyrim is more of a FAST action Game instead of a Role playing game trying to attract more of the masses that love Fast games expansion is fine but I don't want to feel like I am playing COD in Skyrim from the videos alone I do, several things have been cut because those fast action gamers do not like it or wouldn't even mess with it. More content the better for a game like Skyrim that cannot be denied being the one of the few open world RPGs out there my exception is to live up to its name as an RPG.

So general view its Bethesda is more concerned about money more then ever, if they do not HAVE to do it they won't for that %30 of the fan base that has the ability to add or fix what they did not are lucky I guess you can say but too bad for everyone else.

Dual wielding spells will in itself, be spellmaking, since you can combine effects.

No, thats in no way spell creation.

It's virtually the same thing...

I'm usually pretty optimistic about this stuff... For instance, cutting classes and attributes makes sense and I'm glad it's in... However, when you cut things that people really enjoy (I.E. the arena), that makes very little sense and I think people have the right to complain about such.

No, its not the same thing. Its not even similer really. Fact.

He's got a point, granted Todd is dying down the hype trying to avoid another radiant AI situation, we still don't know what's for show and what isn't. The Dragons may not be all what they're dressed up to be, as a wise man (turned heretic) said "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment" we need to stop getting so hyped.

No it's not. With just dual wielding I can't make most of my spells that I used, such as Northern Winds. Burden enemy, feather me, and deal low ice damage over a long period of time.

What are these features that make the game a fast action game, more of an actin game than Morrowind or Oblivion?

The lack of attributes? How so? The skills are not enough? Or perks just sound too CoD?
No spellmaking? Never stopped the other millions of RPGs without this.

Don't we have cities, crafting, dialog, levels, quests, an open free world?

It's funny how it's always about blaming the "other people" and it's always about money...

And that's why I'm pissed. They should care in a game where they claim to allow you to play however you want.

Just to make something clear I never said people didn't have the right to complain, I was only stating the complaint threads were getting out of hand. And yes mechanics have been removed, but there are so many unknowns about Skyrim. We can only make assumptions on what we do know, not what we don't know and from what I gather what we don't know severely outweighs what we do know about Skyrim. The fact is Bethesda isn't going to tell us everything about the game. If they reveal too much we have nothing to be surprised about.

Not to mention, if they only listened to the majority, we'd have a linear action adventure game, and no ES. Which is basically saying, if they removed every feature that this person, or that person never used, we'd no longer have an ES.

Assumptions help us pass the time.

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Oh God, there's still so much time left...

There lies the problem. We still have to wait so long. Damn. Also I love when someone posts a reasonable post that gets passed over because of an argument. *cough*mine*cough*

Am I not alound to want?

I guarantee they have all those spells in there.

I guarantee they dont have spells we think up. Beth cant read minds.

I meant all of those effects. Plus, they will have some specialized spells like that (you know with multiple effects).

They have all the spells in the game, yes. The problem comes when...you see, there are three effects in my spell but I only have two hands to dual wield with.

I think complaining about what you want in a game, or from something being cut is completely acceptable. I do it constantly with Skyrim.

For everyone saying, "Stop complaining no one is making you buy the game" etc. Think of this situation for the new Battlefield 3 (I know its a different game, but it proves my point): With Battlefield 3 there are many concerns about the consoles getting screwed with only 24 players per game, and the PC getting full 64 per game. When asked why this was, the devs and producers told the press that the PC players were COMPLAINING about the lack of attention the PC community was getting in previous Battlefield installments (ie. Battlefield bad company 1 and 2). They also mentioned, "We have not heard any complaints from the console community." You can look at any aticle on the web, just search google, for clarification. I will not post any specifics because its literally spammed all over the net.

My point being, that complaining is acceptable and so maybe we can be heard, and or the next instillation of TES after Skyrim will include what we hold dear to us. So complaining should be praised. If you still think complaining is a waste of time, go tell that to the console community of the upcoming Battlefield 3 game and see what they will do to you. Warning ahead of time, you might get MASSIVELY flammed :cryvaultboy: