A 4x landscape only esp was around 500mb for me. Filled one would be around 2gb I guess.

Haha, 500MB is larger than the Oblivion master file.

Impressive work, Lightwave, as always!



Hahahaha, that's a good one!

could you recreate that 4x scaled one?

I've split it in to two files.

1. The landscape only (no LOD or placement file): http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/downloads/download_tamrielx2_part1.html (216Mb).
2. The placement ESP and LOD files: http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/downloads/download_tamrielx2_part2.html (75Mb).

The readme is included in both files.


As well as the grass problem, the player's height visual always stays the same. If you do a 'player.setscale 2' or 'player.setscale 0.5' then you only see the difference when you go to 3rd person mode (then NPCs around you move their heads to look at your new height, then move them back again when you revert to 1st person mode). Also the viewing distance is the same ...



It's always been able to work with landscapes much larger, but only loaded as inactive. Some people have got around this by loading smaller heightmaps in one at a time then using tools like TES4Gecko to merge them. I successfully tested a 4x Cyrodiil scaled landscape back in February - it was a single import using TESAnnwyn, but I hadn't implemented TES4 layered texture placement exporting+importing or optimized headers, so there was a 1 second delay moving from one cell to the next, not to mention incredibly bland (actually the old http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/2x2/Cyrodiilx4-1.jpg of the IC is still on my website - the LOD for Morrowind's Vvardenfell is in the background and the bit of the circular ditch is just the inner ring of the Imperial Palace wall!). There's also a http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/2x2/4Worlds.jpg on there showing the size problem of the different heightmaps. I only added the cell group optimization to TESAnnwyn yesterday as it happens, but it's a lot slicker to load.

Bethesda increased the DistantLand LOD load range from +-/128 cells to +/-1024 cells with patch 1.2 (just before Shivering Isles came out) - that was a blessing. The CS's limitation is due to inefficient memory management. A world maybe just 20-30% larger than the Tamriel worldspace was enough to require over 2Gb RAM which 32-bit Windows cannot do, giving a CTD. When exporting/importing multi-layered heightmaps, TESAnnwyn doesn't tend to use more than 800Kb (yep, it's really that small!) because it stores things in temporary files, slower, but I don't ever have to worry about memory bugs this way.

Lightwave

* edit * Both files now available.
* edit * The 3x landscape just finished importing: It's 431Mb and contains 132,890 cells.

Oh wow!
Incredible!

It just amazes me every time something someone has been working on,quietly,just emerges and pushes the bar even higher,muchos kudos to you Lightwave :goodjob:

Amazing!Awesome!Stunning! etcetera etcetera...

absolutely amazing work. I think the scale right now is perfect, and if you tried 3x it would be pushing it into the land of the giants. Also how do you plan on managing sizes for specific objects such as stairs, doors, wood fences, etc? Best of luck to you, I really hope you can pull this off.

I can't seem to download it, I get about half way through the first file, it says download complete but it's not and won't open. Would you be able to upload it somewhere else please?

That looks...real..
I'm bafled, it's so beautifull.
Damnit, the Oblivion mods have a long way to go still...there is so much more possible.

OOOOh

I've wanted something like this for soo long.

If I may throwin my tuppence:
Things which should be doubled:
The landscape just as you've done it (yay!)
City walls (which makes them ore impressive and removes the need to fill in stuff around them)
Imperial City structures (temple, palace, tower, collonades, arena)
Churches in Cities
Number, not size of buildings in Cities (IE a completed mod would have, probably just with copy/paste, more houses and something along the lines of MoDem's City Life to add radom nobodies to the streets)

Nothing else needs changing, and if the grass and trees stay te same size but fill in areas 4 times the size (which is what I'm assuming happens fro the description and screenies) then it would be just perfect.

Something may have to be done about cave and ruin entrances, otherwize there will be lots of faff trying to resize interiors to make them navigable, dungeons shouldn't change.

umm yeah, not a coherent as I was expecting but there you go.

Amazing project to make a huge gameworld.

.... but lets not forget that a big empty gameworld isn't really useful without content. Oblivion was designed small on purpose
to capture a wider gaming audience who doesn't want to roam the empty lands for hours just to find a monster to kill.... /hehehe/

I think the vanilla Oblivion scaling is fine as long as the modders add more content - which they do - and the game is sweet.

I don't get it. What does this mod do, in English?

I've asked for something exactly like this in the past, but everyone said it was impossible. Well, I really hope this works, and it would be compatible with UL.

:) makes you and the world ...err...taller!!

Wait, so, is the furniture seriously going to be bigger?

Looks great, will be great once its compleatly finished.

I do have a question though, I saw in the pics there was a giant chair, is every thing but the player huge?

And wider! ^_^

Dang...somebody finally did it. And Lightwave of all people! :goodjob: I can easily see this becoming quite a major mod if worked with just right. Although it would take quite a bit of work to recreate/fill the space. But I think the effort would be worth it.

Heck, I could easily plot down a town I made months ago into some free space. And give it a closed world too.

OooOhh! How I would love to see this made reality with everything working like it does now. *Wishes*

Sorry to be a black cloud, but the only way this could be done properly is to completely remake the land and filling it up. Scaling everything up would look silly. So are you actually just scaling everything up or are you expanding the land. If you are just scaling the entire world up I have to say I will pass. Cyrodill in this game is larger than Vvardenfell, the differences are in the way the games scale with each other.

I wonder... Is it possible to select the cells *only* and double up their size? If so, the scale of the objects within these cells would remain normal and the only thing left would be detailing the empty cell areas. Something like the Canvas Size option of Photoshop. Not that detailing would be that easy, but the rest of the given cell would guide the modder to detail it accordingly.

This mod looks amazing, some problems would of course be compatibility. I would interfere with any mods that add castles houses etc. to the tamriel worldspace. An idea would be to make compatible versions of the greater mods (OOO, MMM, Lost Spires, CORE 1&2 etc.) in one large .esm wiht a .bsa. It would be really amazing for the mod to have a 'true' atmosphere, like farm villages, and peddlers on the road.

cant you just delete everything so that just landscape is double and load that mod last or am i missing something. ive seen mods where buildings where doubled in size.

I tried downloading it in work and it uncompressed fine, so it's likely a corrupted cache server closer between NZ and the UK - if your ISP has a caching server then it could be repeatedly sending you the incomplete version (frustrating when that happens). Give it another go because the cache may have cleared since, but if not I'll upload to an additional location; this would certainly be necessary anyway if this is to turn in to a real project, but it takes 2+ hours for me to upload.

I'll have larger scales to upload in the coming days, but they are taking far longer times to generate obviously. I suspect 4x scaling will be purely entertainment, the heightmap ESP would be around the 1Gb mark, but there could always be some entertainment value in scurrying around a castle like a little mouse.


Obviously scaling everything would look silly. What you'll want its to wipe the "cities" out and create much larger ones in the available space, to your own design. The sole purpose of this test mod (and the scales to follow - they take a while to generate) is to first find the realistic scaling limit of the landscape and also of the wilderness objects (trees, rocks etc).

So the giant buildings you see are only temporarily scaled as a side-effect, but this is fine whilst testing - you can get an idea of a city's expanse from a distance still, otherwise it'll look all dis-jointed at 1x scale - for example much like http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/2x2/MW_2x2_Balmora0.jpg looks when scaled in TES3. If we keep within the realistic margins (which is the purpose of these test scale 'mods') then the vital modding work is reduced to what most modders are interested in; towns and villages. It's then just optional if someone wants to save effort and keep a few scaled things - such as the curved exterior walls of the IC, allowing them to concentrate recreate larger interior districts with a lot more streets and buildings. Or re-do the entire city from scratch - I'm easy.

Region generation is an option, but is not a necessity, not unless we exceed the realistic wilderness scaling realism 'limit' and the objects became too sparse or the trees, fauna and rocks became unrealistically giant. Ideally we should stay within this limit to gives ourselves a very realistically achievable and fun mod to improve, not to mention still impressively large and detailed at the same time.

The generic wilderness interiors (caves, ruins etc) can be reconnected (programatically) at any optional scale to the original wilderness doors. But I'll be brutally honest, I generally loathe the generic go-kill-fetch quests - I feel too many RPG writers go for "player is a dumb dog" and expect me to enjoy it somehow. AFAIR only the thief and dark brotherhood quests struck me as original, inventive, mysterious, fun and not at all predictable from the outset, so I'm really not bothered whether to go through the effort of preserving the full original game (which involves scaling all AI packages, path grids, quest conditions, scripts to new co-ordinates and cell FormIDs - it's all technically possible but not much fun).

This isn't a project yet - I'll wait to see until Cryonaut comes back to me and we need first-hand game feedback on how the wilderness feels as a player. In the meantime just have fun with it, roam around, delete one of the towns if you want and see how big you can make it with the new space. Once the size is decided maybe we can then start a project. :shrug:


Lightwave

Would this mod mess up all the Unique Landscapes mods?

Probably, so we'll have to make huge compatibility patches.