I never heard that before. Do you have a source for that? I'd like to look at it.

It's in the pocket guide. Skyrim is "relatively" temperate, in its mountains, and in the Reach, it's mildly arid.



Atmora's "frozen," though that's their excuse for losing it.

Thank you sir.

Given it's the first Pocket Guide, I suspect that Nirn has continued getting cooler since then.

I'll admit I was dissapointed quite a bit with the Cyrodiil in Oblivion; certainly didn't live up to the lofty and majestic descriptions in the books scattered across Morrowind. I don't think the changes were necessarily "laziness" though; I think they were more motivated by the series being accesible to more players. Havok physics, more visceral combat, less roleplaying type stuff, and it all resulted in a game that sold four times better. :shrug: For better or for worse, most people I've recommended Morrowind to have found it boring and slow paced, sad to say.

Oh? So last time it's Talos, and next time it's climate change?

Let's get back to the Cyrodiil roast. At least that game exists.

Perhaps Atmora's cooling was due to something else. Whatever the case, Talos's CHIM trick seems to have done more than just change one province's climate. After all, he did control far more than just that one province.

It was a gift to the Ruby Sons, not to Tamriel, his mistress.

Oh, you and your links. The forums sure were a different place back then.

I'm in the middle of writing a huge linkapalooza, going back all the way to 00. So yea, me and my links.

Wow! I sounded so angry back then.

Someone said this except from Mankar's Commentaries can explain the reason why its a forest : CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled.

However I don't understand it Could anyone care to explain to this nitwit?

Well you are a B :whistling:

The will of Septim outranked history and biology. Every instance of CHIM involves the individual disregarding "the rules."

Its a reference to http://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos. Basically, Septim achieved divinity (though mantling, not CHIM) and used it to change the jungle into forest. It was at once present to his troops, who hated jungle; a display of his godly power; and a symbol of the new order of Cyrodiil.

CHIM and mantling aren't mutually exclusive. The Many Headed Talos provides an account for a passage from the Mythic Dawn Commentaries. Precisely what Akavirguy quoted: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mythic-dawn-commentaries-3

Mantling is the way - the way of six - after all.

I know the passage as well as any. I'm just saying that what Talos did doesn't exactly match up with the common description of CHIM, rather, he is the classic enantiomorph. If we perceive CHIM as a goal/state rather than a process, then I guess it could work. Its always CHIM this and CHIM that, I just like to give the other walking ways some love.

What I don't get, is if Talos changed Cyrodiil to a forest for the good of the Empire, why did he not change Black Marsh, since the Empire can't properly raid, due to the diseases and general nastiness of the inner swamps? It would have helped the Empire spread more and would have made everything better for the Imperials. (not that I want another province forested)

Also, why does he not actually physically help the Empire? Why did he have to be such a coward and have Akatosh defend his own pride an joy? (Imperial City) Especially considering he didn't lose power, like Akatosh did, in the creation of everything.

I really hate that man. :stare:

The Imperials already controlled Black Marsh, even if they couldn't raid it. :shrug:

Akatosh was the one who gave the Amulet of Kings to Alessia and formed the related covenant.

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The Imperials already controlled Black Marsh, even if they couldn't raid it. :shrug:
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Not properly. You don't see Imperials wandering around mid Black Marsh (I think)

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But Tiber Septim was Martin's predessixr, and the father of the empire. Why did he not help at all? Why did he leave the weakened Akatosh to do his work?

It was a retcon.

I think you and a lot of the other people here on the forums take the game and it's "lore" to serious.

Why can't you just accept that this is a game? It was made by ordinary peolple who try to create an interesting world for us to play in , a world that doesn't need to make sense in every way. The whole complaining about Cyrodiil not being jungle is getting boring. Cyrodiil being a jungle has been mentioned in one book if I'm not mistaken, one book which apperently is to be considered a rock solid truth even though we all know that many books lie.

So why not just accept the games as they are and quit trying to convince people that something is true that doesn't necessarily have to be true.

That isn't what he's doing. He's detoxing in a bad form. Like me and you are.

My hope is that Umbriel lands on top of the Imperial City, crushing all those damned beggars in the process. The bays will flood, and the landscape will become rugged and overgrown - combined with the boiling currents in Morrowind and (possibly) Black Marsh, bingo! Cyrodiil rejungled! :grad: