The daedric princes are beyond chim.

This may be more easily conceived in terms of "CAN choose" and "CAN become."

It is the polemic of potential and kinetic. It is not entirely honest to say these things, change, creation, exist solely in the realm of Sithis, Padomay, etc., as while Anu, potential, eternal IS, may CHOOSE to recognize the other in time, and by that acknowledgement allow it's change to come to being, it may also at the same moment choose NOT to, and when it does, the other is nothing and is not.

This is where the scheming Daedra make all conceivable naive assumptions about their own importance in that equation. They like to focus on reaction, consequence, immediate effect, and assume dominion over outcome, yet in attachment to this simple fraction they only reveal their own limitation.

Thus the two are one at their first moment of reflection, where visible and invisible are same, in harmony, and love, forever.

How can stasis be creative? At the moment when it ceases to be in stasis! But before the moment, only IS.

...PSJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ

Oh Alinor do strike this one down! Burn the heretic!!!!!

Woe to those that cannot see the future, through mortal eyes blinded by vanity!

You make it sound like Anu is constantly birthing Padomay through choice-to or choice-not. It's not that Padomay "is nothing and is not" when Anu chooses. Padomay "IS NOT" all the time. That's just the kind of guy he is. Change is the force without focus or origin.

That is somewhat how I view it. It seems some view creation as a “big bang” from which everything emerged in the ancient past, where the source was only present at THAT moment of creation, and not any/all that came after.

For the most part, the later assumption is based in frustration at being unable to summon up the Source at whim to prove their personal theories, their scratching at the veil, completely disregarding that the timeless has a CHOICE!

No matter how hard one looks, or how deeply they dig, if we go about it the wrong way, it will CHOOSE not to reveal itself, and if so, we probably deserve it for how we went about discovering. Mostly, that is the stubborn pride and vanity of the lower Daeda.

As was alluded to in Dark Knight, you cannot blackmail God. You may fool his followers, but they will never be a lens to what you seek, because God himself is never fooled.

I see it more as ever-present, applying itself to variable extent with arbitrary focus and effort determined by context, that is both reflection of the original thought coupled with some degree of the Padomaic influence of recursive definition, and that this interplay manifests in choice, whether the all-spark CHOOSES to apply itself directly and to what extent at that moment it is made manifest, or whether it regards that particular pattern more as memory or afterthought.

I see the "hum" not as constant, but as internally resonant. Different patterns emerging in the is-ness of the interplay of time, represent how much it paid attention to that specific concept. Not all ideas are associative, or to the same degree. You cannot necessarily get from A to Z directly. Or from A to B. Though you may, depending on the method.

There is much that is merely repetition, but it is never truly static, because the original state was more than IS, but pure and focused CONSCIOUSNESS and ALL.

That is why they say Padomay is the “quintessential form of change,” not the force of it. Padomay presents the door. Anu chooses whether to walk through it. The One can exist without what is, but what is cannot exist without the One.

It isn't Padomay I have a problem with, it's his followers! Like those petty lower Daedra that push a crystal glass off a table just so they can say it's shattering proves THEM a force of CREATION! Silly assumptions with imagined clever proof!

Some beings cannot seem to be content with what they have, unless they use it to destroy or limit that which others have, to exalt themselves by comparison in their own immediate self-image.

A byproduct of mortality, or vanity? Unwilling to apply themselves to the task of seeking greater understanding through knowledge, unable to humble themselves enough to ever attempt inclusive coexistence, they define their own limits in terms always of external, by comparison, or assumption, and Anu only chuckles, and sometimes cries.

Yeah, I agree with this. Never having a chance to call out the hypocrisy and troll logic of the daedra is really beggining to frustrate me.

"Mythic Aurbis exists, and has existed from time without measure."

If any mythic events can be compared to the big bang, I'd go with the crystallization of Anu/Padomay into Akatosh/Lorkhan and Convention.



I still don't understand assigning agency to Anu, but I think you're not wrong if you're secretly talking about the Godhead here.

(B'vek, sometimes I think that Amaranthine subgradience reduces all mythic discussion to semantics and hairsplitting!)

This makes sense. See Boethiah's Proving.

"I am alive because that one is dead. I exist because I have the will to do so."

Defining yourself by the destruction of others is the mark of a Padomaic. This makes me wonder if there are other madmen with an equal and opposite Anuic philosophy.

"I exist(ed) because I allow(ed) myself to die?"

That sounds pretty Aedric.

Spontaneity is inscrutable.

Novelty is oblivion.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Jean-Baptiste... Emanuel... Zorg!



And yet you have only ever lived under the light of a SINGLE SUN, presumptuous little mortal!

No, no, I am the sun.

Only in dying do our lives find worth.

Only in its end does a story gain meaning.

It is possible but it would never happen because of the realization that comes with Chim. To put it in other words why would they want to hurt themselves?

maschism. I wouldn't put it past Vehk.

Sado-maschism: "To define myself by how I hurt another while how I do hurts me!"

Precisely.