It's a daedras world.

Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:35 pm

The Aedra are associated with stasis, and are our ancestors. The Daedra are associated with change, yet aren't our ancestors. It is strange to me that the inhabitants of Nirn are not the "descendants" of the Daedra, the beings who they most resemble. The people of Nirn are in no way in a state of stasis, but chaotic change. All they do is change things. They aren't in a state of half consciousness like the Aedra. They are very aware and actively manipulate the enviroment, like the Daedra. The Daedra cannot create, but can so warp an object that it no longer resembles its former self, and is something completely new. Isn't that a kind of creation? Do the inhabitants of Nirn "create" anything? Don't they just work with what they got? I've heard that the Aedra are subject to the beliefs of mortals. How then are they static? Does that mean that the mortals can change the Aedra, perhaps even manipulate them? Isn't that what the Daedra do to the mortals?
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:13 pm

Biased Mortal terminology based off of Mer views. All spirits are the ancestors as all spirits came from the same place. The reason the Aedra are considered ancestors is because they had a direct impact on the creation of Mundus whereas the Daedra sat on the sidelines. Though the Dunmer realize this falsehood and their version of Daedra means "Our stronger, better ancestors" which is correct as they didn't give up any part of themselves up to build the earthbones of Mundus.

Aedra being static for the most part is also a falsehood. The Aedra can be either anuic (static and order) or padomaic (Change and chaos) due to the Aedra simply being the ones who participated in Lorkhan's plan to create a mortal realm whereas the Daedra just stood on the sidelines while the Magne-Ge left for Aetherius after finding out what creating Mundus would cost them.

Magne-Ge can be anuic and padomaic
Aedra can be anuic and padomaic
Daedra can be anuic and padomaic

Though of course only the mortal races have the choice to choose to be anuic or padomaic, the others don't really have a choose as they are stuck in the position they were in when they became gods and since the beginning of creation.

As for Daedra creating something.

The Daedra create like a craftsmen creates, they take a material that already exists and twists it into something new. The Aedra on the other hand create like a mother gives birth. Each one imbues their essence into something but for the Aedra they create new life and that takes a part of themselves, the Daedra don't give new life but shape energy and life into what they want.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:52 pm

Why didn't the Daedra leave with the Magna-Ge? If the Magna-Ge left to ESCAPE the trick that was Mundus, then the Daedra should have left with them. Why retain your power and sentience if you are still going to end up screwed?
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:47 pm

Who knows, they just didn't leave because maybe they didn't feel like it. After Lorkhan's trick was discovered it could be they wanted to mess around with the new world but not give up their own powers. For Boethiah's case it's more likely they were the back-up plan to keep Lorkhan's plan for everyone to understand that reality is nothing but a dream, Hermaeus Mora is often theorized to be a rogue elder scroll that broke free and gained it's own power, Meridia was kicked out of Aetherius for unknown reasons.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:28 am

It reminds me of a giant wardenless supermax prison. The cells and structure of the building are the Aedra, the Nirnians the ones in the cells, and the Daedra the guards. They guards may have the most power but they are still in prison, and must abide by certain rules. The Magna-Ge are relatives who refuse to visit their loser family members in prison because they are stupid. And Vivec is like the one guy who made a successful escape or something.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:54 am

Well, the Altmeri viewpoint of Mundus is actually that of a prison, so much that the Thalmor are trying to tear down the prison from the inside.
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Post » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:58 am

No ****? That is fascinating. The warden needs to show up and restore order or something.

Isn't there some real life religion that believes we are awesome spirits imprisoned in flesh? I think they believe the world is ruled by the devil or something. That we were all dragged down here and are unable to escape creation or something and that we must reincarnate until we are worthy enough to escape the cycle. Man what were they called...I think they were hunted down during medieval times or something.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:32 pm

I think you're talking about Gnosticism.

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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:53 pm


That's what it is! What an exciting worldview that is. So the elves are like gnostics? I suppose that makes Lorkhan the evil devil God in charge of the world right? That means they literally want to destroy the world. How the hell do you fight someone like that? If they want to destroy the world, they don't necessarily have to start a war. Wait, is that why that one elf bastard tried to access the Eye of Magnus? To destroy the planet? You know, I'm surprised they haven't destroyed Nirn yet with views like that. Why do the powers that be even allow them to exist? I mean hell, this is a world where the average person, with a little effort, can summon seriously sinister forces to do his bidding, yet here we have a whole RACE wanting to destroy the world.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:41 am

Remember, not every Atlmer wants the world gone.

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Post » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:06 am


My bad, in a rush I said the whole race, but I meant the Thalmor. Are there a large amount of them, or are they more like a small, elite radical group in power?
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:30 pm

Well you're right, other people wouldn't approve. Traditionally, Altmer have believed in trying to escape the world rather than tearing it down and I think a lot of the religious ones still do. From the outside, the Thalmor are simply Altmer supremacists who want to restore Elven dominance over the land like in the Merethic Era. I suspect that's what most of its supporters and lower to middle ranks think too.

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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:30 pm

The Daedra are more trollish than the Magna-Ge and decided "Hey, this looks like a cool playground to screw around with!" when they viewed the Mundus first created. They stuck around metaphysically closer to the Mundus than the Magna-Ge did so they could.

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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:17 pm

This is one of the best summations of the difference between Deadra and Aedra that I've ever read. Nice allegory.

From what I"ve read, the Magna-Ge and Magus were already involved with creating Nirn and forcibly removed themselves from what they were creating before they were fully "joined" to it. It was truly an escape for them. The Deadra, on the other hand, never involved themselves with creation in the first place, so there wasn't anything for them to escape from. They "simply" had to make sure they didn't participate in the creation. The Aedra involved themselves with the creation of Nirn and didn't leave, therefore trapping themselves near the very thing they created. They can't leave. Mortals sill have a choice in where they end up when they die based on who they worship, or what philosophies they follow... some of them end up more free of the mortal coil then others do...

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