Is Daedric Armor Lore Friendly?

Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:34 am

This is an opinionated thread. I've always wondered. Could a mere mortal really fashion him/herself that sinister suit of armor from another realm? Sure yeah, you can say so because we do it in game, but there are a lot of things we can do in the game that would otherwise be impossible; like chug 17 potions in the blink of an eye.

Personally I don't think so. You couldn't make that at some kind of run-of-the-mill forge. Same goes with Dragon armor. Just little quirks in the game that are cool to have (until you get sick of them, like me) that wouldn't actually be able to be created by normal people.

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Christina Trayler
 
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:41 am

haha yep.

all those Oblivion gates 200 yeara ago for adventurers to go into and take the armour from the dremora then after studying the armour people learn how to make it.
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:59 pm

That could make sense, but the problem with that is the only NPCs seen with such armor are Dremora. Also, how the heck would you get it off of the body of a Dremora? Stripping alien tech off an alien body wouldn't be a walk in the park.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:11 pm

Yes and no. No, because ebony itself was said to require half a year to smelt the ore into ingots (unless you used a magically-fueled forge), while creating daedric items was supposed to require binding a soul to the material. I don't see how squeezing some blood from a heart can replace that. Yes, because it was mentioned that mortals could craft such items (however the knowledge of the exact process was lost).

Keep in mind that only the highest ranking Dremora had actual daedric armor. And I doubt studying a cuirass would tell you how to turn normal ebony into the daedric material.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:51 pm

carry the body or cut the body up into small pieces.
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:04 am

Only master smiths can forge the armor at a certain night at certain time, throw a deadra heart into the forge at just the right moment. Not true daedric, only daedra themselves know how to create that, but still stronger than plain ebony. (IIRC disclaimer applies.)

In game, do it whenever you wish after making thousand gold rings :hehe: Gameplay/lore segregation for better playablity. Lore friendly, but simplified.

What is not lore friendly is mining black soul gems from Blackreach :stare:
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:04 pm

Pretend mannimarco was living there for a bit and decided to do some magic [censored] in there.
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:31 am

Well it's not alien and it's not alien tech. The whole thing about TES is that the Daedra and the Aedra are, no matter what, the same, just defined by their choice of either change or stasis. The Plains are Oblivion are twisted forms of Nirn (or Nirn is a mellow version of Oblivion) and the same goes for its denizens. The thought process of Lesser Daedra are similar to mortal races. The Daedra (in this case, the Dremora) value honour in battle and death and glory (Orcs/Nords). They also believe in domination through both might and the mind (Imperials) and they highly value magic (Altmer/ other races).

Therefore the creations of each 'branch' are basically the same. Everything constructed in Oblivion functions the same way as any mortal work, such as buildings, gates, armour, weapons, etc.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:05 am

How do you know? Did Oblivion say the absolute only way to make Black Soul Gems was to create them from grand soul gems as a special altar? Nope at no point has lore ever stated that black soul gems couldn't be naturally occurring.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:17 am


Only every seven days on those altars, when Mannimarco moves over Arkay's planet and corrupts it's light; http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Shade_of_the_Revenant#Shade_of_the_Revenant :wink:

That's why i keep saying that at least they still tried in Oblivion :hehe:

Oh, and it was eight days, not seven :shrug:

Anyway, it's not the only way, as there are altars in Soul Cairn that can corrupt soul gems too, but that magic probably comes from the Ideal Masters.

Still the key word is "corrupt" so even if magical soul gems somehow formed naturally i doubt they'd get corrupted in a deep underground cave.

Well, be that as it may, i suppose another one of those lore/gampelay separation things. Doesn't exactly keep me awake at night :tongue:
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:28 am

I don't think so. It would be very, very rare.

That said, I can never wear Daedric again. Thanks youtube.
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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:33 pm

Although the process is simplified for the game, it is lore-corrrect.

Daedric is ebony infused with the essence of a lesser daedra.

The Dunmer know how to make it for certain, and I imagine a master smith would do too.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:04 am

In a cavern deep underground infested with the corrupted snow elves and possible haunted by the dead Dwemer... and falmer slaves. sounds like the perfect place for naturally growing things to be corrupted.

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Post » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:38 pm

This.

It's just like how alchemy in-game is just crushing crap in a mortar, even though it's been stated both in books and by NPC's that some brews require a lot of preparation and very specific conditions or instruments in order for the brew to work.

It's not impossible, just improbable that it would me made in such a short amount of time with the materials and equipment on hand. You get a perk that allows you to work on Enchanted equipment. It's safe to assume that Smithing also involves quite a bit of arcane knowledge if you're going to work with certain materials.

Dragon armor makes much more sense, too. Especially since in the base game you could only make armor. It's much weaker than daedric, but it takes a master smith to make it. Basically, you're inventing the techniques yourself.

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