Daedric > Dragonbone : V

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:27 am

everyone at my school keeps saying that daedric is better than dragon bone
but ive got a set of ledgendary daedric and ledgendary dragone bone, but the dragonbone is 2 points stronger.
why does everyone keep saying daedric is better, when dragonbone is potentially the best?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:30 pm

Daedric is better then Dragonbone.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:23 pm

Daedric is better then Dragonbone.

then why the heck is my dragonbone stronger? did you even read the description?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:28 pm

Deadric is better however you can continue to upgrade beyond the base Legendary upgrade as smithing rises, so it's possible you improved your Dragonbone whilst having a better smithing skill at the time.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:03 pm

well first of all, dragon bone and scale are on the same perk, and dragonscale IS the best, for light armor anyway.

Also, Dragonbone is lighter than Daedric and well easily surpass the armor cap with perks, meaning, capped armor with less weight, that's better in my book.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:12 pm

Obviously he didn't read ur post :celebration:

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:49 pm

Obviously he didn't read ur post :celebration:

oh wow I feel stupid, I'll be honest I didn't, thought it was another of "those" posts.. well that's what I get for being hasty

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:06 pm

Deadric is better however you can continue to upgrade beyond the base Legendary upgrade as smithing rises, so it's possible you improved your Dragonbone whilst having a better smithing skill at the time.

yeah but my smithing was 100, and i had no enchantments, in fact i just made another set as a test, and its still stronger

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:09 pm

Both easily reach the armour cap.

Daedric has a higher max armour.

Dragonbone is lighter.

The differences are too slight to notice.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:57 am

everyone at my school keeps saying that daedric is better than dragon bone
but ive got a set of ledgendary daedric and ledgendary dragone bone, but the dragonbone is 2 points stronger.
why does everyone keep saying daedric is better, when dragonbone is potentially the best?

Because you spent a talent to give yourself two points of Armor Rating, and don't even have the ability to make better weapons to show for it.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:54 pm

My understanding is that when smithed under the same conditions, Daedric is superior to Dragonbone heavy armor.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:23 pm

Deadric is better however you can continue to upgrade beyond the base Legendary upgrade as smithing rises, so it's possible you improved your Dragonbone whilst having a better smithing skill at the time.

Pretty much this.

Try improving your daedric armor again with the same smithing level you had when improving the dragonbone armor and see what happens.

Also, there's a bug that renders one of the 25% bonus armor perk useless on some armor sets, ebony being one of them. Not sure if it has affected your daedric armor or not in this case.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:00 pm

Actually Dragonplate is only 2 points weaker than Daedric (standard and upgraded to legendary). SO Daedric is actually stronger than Dragonplate, but Dragonscale is the strongest of all light armors. (And Dragon is really easy to make and is alot cheaper and easier to make than Daedric and even Glass in some cases).

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:47 pm

Pretty much this.

Try improving your daedric armor again with the same smithing level you had when improving the dragonbone armor and see what happens.

Also, there's a bug that renders one of the 25% bonus armor perk useless on some armor sets, ebony being one of them. Not sure if it has affected your daedric armor or not in this case.

I can confirm that it doesn't affect Daedric Armor. At least not universally.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:25 pm

Because you spent a talent to give yourself two points of Armor Rating, and don't even have the ability to make better weapons to show for it.

what are you talking about? my smithing is 100 due to long processes of labor and 1000's of gold spent, i can make ledgendary daedric weapons and armour, im just saying that everybody says daedric has a higher armour rating, but my dragon bone is just a little stronger
this has nothing to do with perks, except the fact that i can craft dragonbone and daedric

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 pm

You reach the armor cap easily with any armor with blacksmithing alone, that's without any kind of exploiting, so It doesen't matter.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:03 am

yeah but my smithing was 100, and i had no enchantments, in fact i just made another set as a test, and its still stronger

Just to make this clearer

Smithing can go well above 100. With perks you only need ~90 for legendary, without ~150, potions and items can increase smithing.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Smithing

Any other differences could be bug related.

Edit---
As others have pointed out if you have relevant armour perks this number will be purely aesthetic, the cap would have been surpassed and thus no real benefit.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:06 pm

The difference is so small that it'll take the same amount of improving and/or perks to reach the armor cap.

So, wear what you think looks best, or what weighs the least.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:15 pm

Pretty much this.

Try improving your daedric armor again with the same smithing level you had when improving the dragonbone armor and see what happens.

Also, there's a bug that renders one of the 25% bonus armor perk useless on some armor sets, ebony being one of them. Not sure if it has affected your daedric armor or not in this case.

ive done that, i just did a little while ago as a test, and again my dragonbone armour is 2 points stronger than my daedric
but it only is stronger after i improve them, but ive no enchantments equipped

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:26 am

Just to make this clearer

Smithing can go well above 100. With perks you only need ~90 for legendary, without ~150, potions and items can increase smithing.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Smithing

By the time you reach those numbers, you've hit the armor cap anyway, at which point improved armor rating doesn't matter.

what are you talking about? my smithing is 100 due to long processes of labor and 1000's of gold spent, i can make ledgendary daedric weapons and armour, im just saying that everybody says daedric has a higher armour rating, but my dragon bone is just a little stronger
this has nothing to do with perks, except the fact that i can craft dragonbone and daedric

For a Heavy Armor user, spending the talent to get Dragonbone armor is a waste. You can easily hit the armor cap with Daedric armor, and there's no such thing as Dragonbone weapons, so there's no justifying taking the perk for that reason.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:43 pm

By the time you reach those numbers, you've hit the armor cap anyway, at which point improved armor rating doesn't matter.

lol aually i dont think ive hit the armour cap XD my heavy armour is only in the 50's i think, and my armor rating at its highest is about 530

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:05 pm

ive done that, i just did a little while ago as a test, and again my dragonbone armour is 2 points stronger than my daedric
but it only is stronger after i improve them, but ive no enchantments equipped

Did you equip any items when you check their armor ratings?

Try to remove everything you are equipping and check their armor ratings in their item description.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:34 pm

The difference is so small it doesn't matter. Really it doesn't.

If you really want to rage hard look at Steel and Dadric. You would thing Dadric would have a massive advantage over steel....It doesn't. 15% advantage when other TES games the same comparison would be 100%+. Lets not get into Dwemmer equipment that for armor might exceed Dadric due to a quest giving out a hilariously overpowered (+25% AR for wearing all dwemmer armor) reward.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:34 am

lol aually i dont think ive hit the armour cap XD my heavy armour is only in the 50's i think, and my armor rating at its highest is about 530

You're 37 away from the armor cap. =P

Keep leveling up your armor skill, and you'll hit it easily.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:51 pm

The difference is so small it doesn't matter. Really it doesn't.

If you really want to rage hard look at Steel and Dadric. You would thing Dadric would have a massive advantage over steel....It doesn't. 15% advantage when other TES games the same comparison would be 100%+. Lets not get into Dwemmer equipment that for armor might exceed Dadric due to a quest giving out a hilariously overpowered (+25% AR for wearing all dwemmer armor) reward.

Actually, that perk is bugged. It increases the base armor of every type of armor by "some percentages" and fortifies smithing by 15% instead of increasing progress gain.
Peek in the Armor Cap topic on the spoiler forum for more details