Hey folks!

Do you also questions yourself why the Daedric Princes is kinda foolish? Look at Mehrunes Dagon, not the first time to invade tamriel, and fail!!! Even when he walk on nirn HIMSELF he cant even beat the mortals!!! I mean, why the He** doesen't he use his powers? Hey Dagon, you are the [moderator censored] lord of destruction! Can't even hold the gates of kvatch after he swarm it with daedra!!! And thats not all of it, you are also lord of natual disarsters!!! What about starting earthquakes at the imperial city, or overflood it with a tsunami or [moderator censored] like that huh?! Cant even keep his own sigil stones safe!

And whats the deal with Sheagorath lord of fools, wasn't he supposed to be one of the four evil daedra of house of trubles? The dunmer told os in morrowind, but what? he isn't evil, he is very nice, turning me to a god of his own realm! Why the he** does he open his gate and not surpporting Mehrunes invasion? They are supposed to be in the same evil pact, along with Molag Bal and Malacath, but these guys won't help either. And whats the deal with turning himself to Jyggalag and destroy his own realm?! Who named him a god!!!

And the goddes Azura, cursing her own people to become dark skinned! "Hohhh, what a punishment, now we are more resistant to fire!" And the dunmer still worship her, even when she cursed them!

And why is it that many of the lesser daedra that belongs to other daedric princes, is wandering around in Mehrunes Realm? Like daedroths and spider, daedra why arent they in their own realm?

Sorry if I overreacted, but I just think that the Nine Divines is taken their holy-ness SERIOUSELY. Mehrunes Dagon have planned his invasion for years (i think) and in the end, Akatosh is summoned right in front of him, and kick his a**.

If you have any idea of how to invade Tamriel, I would like you to write it hear. You can be any Daedric Prince or Any of the Divines or maybe an army from the Akivir! Or just any race in the game.

Please write back. Thanks!!!

You do know that Akatosh is like.... Thor amongst the Norse Gods? He's Alduin the World Eater.

And Sheogorath doesn't LET you "become" him, you "walk like him until he walks like you" you mantled him.

And why wouldn't they worship her? She cursed them due to their betrayal against Nerevar Indoril.

I would think it would have been cool to see massive invasions and thousands of daedra pouring out gates while sea rises and sky dives...

But technical limits, like my Xbox starts to freeze only in the Battle of Bruma.

And I would have wanted more powers when I became a mortal "daedra lord" at the Isles,

The dunmers lump four (out of 16) daedra lords togethers as the four corners of the House of Trouble,s it doesn't mean in any way they're allied together.

Sheoggorath don't finds Mehrunes anywhere near funny, why would he support it. Especially if it means turning the funnily impredictable Mundus into an extension of Mehrune's boring realm...

The house of troubles is a rule by the tribunal temple, and it's one sided, none of them are evil, all of them are bad for the dunmer, you don't need to have horns grow out of your head and have a scrapy voice to be "evil", the house of troubles are the four daedra the tribunal temple forbids worship of. One thing about lore in TES, as long as you have not seen it, it's NEVER true, almost all information is opinionated. Everyone on Vvardenfell tells you that dagoth ur is the devil, the evil immortal enemy of the tribunal, the only truth about that is that he is immortal and an enemy of the tribunal.

You have many good ideas. I like you.

Game mechanics mostly I'd say, that, and they made Oblivion way too easy anyway. Having earthquakes and stuff happening couldn't have been supported by the Oblivion engine. But yea, Dagon in-game svcked, just wandering around in circles stomping on the ground - don't take his in-game appearance as being anything close to what he's capable of (and yes, he svcked at strategy as well, but that's not his strong point)...

As has been said, that's just a Dunmer classification. They don't necessarily work together or like each other, and neither is 'evil', the Dunmer just call them "bad daedra" because they don't support the Tribunal. Also, he doesn't intentionally turn into Jyggalag, that was a curse that was placed on him (or Jyggalag).

Best I recall the Tribunal twisted it as a reason for pride, and then her being an Anticipation helps keep her around. Still, the Dunmer focus more on the Tribunal than the Good Daedra...

Lesser daedra can switch alliances or work for others, so that's no big deal.

I might get back to you with that later...

If it was me i wouldnt reveal myself as the invader for a while. Id spread some form of plague among live stock, have floods destroy crops, starve and weaken the population, stop imports through using earth quakes to close off trade routes after creating a land slide, then use tsunamis to cut off sea routes.

Then i would launch a Simultaneous attack on the capitols of each province. remove the heads of the leaders and their followers will fall.

So that means that the daedra are not evil? I just thought that there were evil, since all of them hate humans and are banned from the tribunal temple. Also in cyrodill, the daedric worshippers have to move out of civilisation. Thats sounded like they were evil to humans and other races on tamriel.

But atleast they should let us see some of Mehrunes powers. He didn't even cast ONE spell I think, but Sheogorath was a "real" god, becasue of they way that the whole shivering isles is build up seems like a job that only a powerful man could do!

Since that the lore tell us, that Molag Bal is the father of vampires. Maybe, he could gather all of the vampire clans, to one BIG vampire army and somehow use his power to take away the sunlight, naybe cover all of tamriel in shadow, if it is possible. Then he could send hus huge vampire army to start attaking region by region. Just see what he did to vvardenfell at Molag Amur Region!!!

He could be the one to succes an attack on tamriel!!!

The deadra are nothing. We can not concieve of a people without gender of moral compass.

I agree the attempts to take over the world are half hearted at best.

Sheogorath is in no hurry to take over anything. He does not turn into Jyggalag, Jyggalag tunrs into him. I think becoming the Prince of Madness was too easy. The line to short. I wanted him to stay a bit longer.

I wish they all played bigger rolls in the world.

http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/index.shtml#daedra_evil And they don't hate humans, heck, they get alot of power from mortals. The Tribunal banned the "bad Daedra" for their own reasons, not because they are bad. In Cyrodiil the temple of the Nine Divines is dominant and so naturally Daedra worshipers are going to be the minority and slightly shunned.

I know he was assigned one spell in the TESCS, but yea, I can't ever remember him using it...

The vampires are more subtle than that...

TzToppDogg:

I get the impression you don't quite understand how much the Daedra rely on the continued existence of Nirn. Vearnima draws power from peoples nightmares, she created living nightmares to fuel these fears. Without people, she couldn't exist. Azura longs to be loved, but without people who will? Molag Ball is the father of all monsters, Malacath the patron of the outcasts, but without people to cast people out and declare them monsters, what is their purpose?

Some people think hat the destruction of Nirn will set the Daedra free again, but with all this mortal entertainment would you think they'd let it happen? Just look at Mehrunes history, every time he has been defeated but not before leaving a gigantic mess. Exactly how he likes it.

Yeah, but Molag Bal is a lord who want to inslave the immortals and use their souls for HIS purpouse. Maybe he want people to worship him, but in the end he want to use any soul as slaves. He is the lord of domination, and thefore a good reason to invade tamirel, to harvest more souls!

Also, inslaving innorcent souls by force is evil, nomatter if you are a god or not!

I have to agree with LPS.
The Tribunal only assume who their enemies must be under the evidence of who could do the most damage.
Mehrunes
Molag Bal
Malacath
Sheogorath

Remember that Mehrunes Dagon attack Mournhold and wounded Almalexia
Molag Bal seduced Vivec
Malacath(I don't know honestly)
Sheogorath is a madgod. Why consider him a mutual friend?

Although they're unholy, the Dunmer still show some respect and see the Four Corners of the House of Troubles as a testament to their willingness to remain united.

Mehrunes Dagon represents the physical strength
Molag Bal is the prince of plots, and so this shows how cunning the Dunmer as a whole must be to remain unspoiled by treachery
Malacath(I remember something about him getting eaten and crapped back out, but I cant remember by whom.
Sheogorath is the one who could turn the Dunmer into insane babbling idiots. (Althought I'm not sure why he would be either respected or worshipped)

If the daedra wanted to invade Tamriel, they would need someone similar to the Camoran Usurper and a bit more man-power(For diversity in combat)
Perhaps an Akaviri Pyandonean alliance.(If the Pyandonea even has a force left to fight with)

You'd probably destroy the Summerset Isles(If you could manage to over-throw the Psijiic Order. Which I doubt is probable)
Then you'd focus on the Empire itself. I'd offer the Nords a chance to defeat Morrowind(Once and for all)
Or, offer the Dunmer a chance at liberation. Then focus on the Guilds.(Fighters and Mages)
Hire the Morag Tong and use the mortals to assassinate key figures of the Council.
I'd destroy Black marsh first.(Cause their nothing like leading exhausted troops into a swampy terrain to be picked off easily.)
Then I'd hit Skyrim.(If an alliance was avoided)
Then I'd offer Orsinium an ultamatum.
After that the imperial City would crumble and the land would be a daedra ruled.

pssst...

Akavir invasion...

Thank about... It doesnt have to be a blatant attack. They could send another Tsaesci like they did with the potentate. And with the empire in shambles, why wouldn't they consider it plausible? I certainly would. But then, I am being a little biased...

You might not want to rely on the UESP too much.

Their line comes from the http://www.imperial-library.info/bsbooks/bs_book_daedra.shtml but they neglect http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/invocation_of_azura.shtml, his http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/daedric_prince_mw.shtml#bal and his conversation in Oblivion.

Molag Ball is more nuanced than that, enslavement is only a minor part of his character.

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Yea, I hate when they read straight from the UESP. In game books and lore is truly the only way to find things out.
I'll aid in the confusion and add that without the daedra, the Dunmer people would be lost.(Or perhaps all of Nirn)
And without the mortals, the daedra would have nothing to mock the aedra with. And trust me when I say mocking the aedra is number one on their priority list.(At least for the daedra who despise the untrustworthy Divines.)

Everything is in equillibrium.(sp?)
(Sometimes.)

And it's hard for some to fathom the aspects of the daedric princes. Their spheres are far more than what can be read or heard from the UESP or any other fan-fed site.

The Dunmer put Sheo in there because, he convinced the moon to drop on Vivec (the city). Well, at least that's what the basic story says. And he's there to test their mental strength.

Yea thanx. Exactly what i was going for.

Dagon might be after the destruction of Nirn, but he is limited in what he can do. How so?

• The game needs to stay easy enought for you to actually complete the MQ.
  
• The game system limitations.
  
• Complete destruction of Nirn is likely to spell the end of TES series... do you want TES to end?
  
• Dagon might be a god, but he still answers to Programing. Pitty, isnt it?

As far as I am concerned, there is no satistfactory Lore correct reason as to why he keep failing. The only way Dagon can lead a campaign that will end Nirn is when Bethshesda says he can OR when you write your own fan fic where he achives his goal. :shrug: Untill then he will keep loosing the battles and the war.

Not necessarily. I mean he could win but once he has destroyed the world a new Dragon Brake takes place and then we can continue the series?

Thou I'm not entirely sure that it could work but well I think so at least.

Oh, I thought this was a guide.

Without Nirn there isn't anything left for him to destroy. Then he would be a very sad little boy.
Also, I killed Vivec. I killed Almalexia. All by my lonesome. Just because you're mortal doesn't mean you're harmless. They have Redguards running about chopping up mountains even. There's a lot of pretty epic mortals about. And I don't see why a ton of them wouldn't have been around the Imperial City to help. Having Akatosh around is another damned good reason for Dagon to be defeated. Martin was there the whole time. If Dagon had started to do anything too drastic, it would have just happened then instead. And wasn't the other attempt during the reign of Tiber? I don't know my lore much about him, but wasn't he also an avatar of some god? Anyway, there are tons of good reasons why he could have been defeated, even if the world was in real danger.

Just a thought too. I bet Dagon would ironically want to keep Nirn in existence so he would always have a fresh string of things to destroy.

Feel free to argue. I'm never sure how coherent I am.

It is, as far as I can tell, possible that he fails because he doesnt want to completely destroy Nirn. Or maybe not just yet.

But than again, why would he continue the ordeal if he wants to be his original Leaper King self again? I was under the impression that he wants to go back to being a jumping fool that he once was and thats what was driving him to destroy evething that has to do with Nirn as fast as he can. That and his grudge with Lorkhan?

Maybe it both though. Maybe in a way he likes both and just wants to keep having his fun with Nirn untill he is tired of it and really want to be his old self again. Sound logical.

Yeah, but whats the point of creating another Daggerfall-like ending?