I believe this question was already asked in the past. What about raising it again though? Is there any information hinting how strong are the princes in relation to each other? Is one more powerful than the other? Is there a hierarchy among them? I always thought Mehrunes Dagon and Jygallag were the strongest ones but I may be wrong. Any in-game stated information or exterior sources?

There is hierarchy within each of the Prince's realms, but there is no known hierarchy between the Princes, save for vague and unconfirmed statements such as Nocturnal being "accorded the title Ur-dra by nearly all the Royalty of Oblivion." There is no way to measure power or to even define the meaning of 'power' in this context - the most anybody can say is that each has unlimited power within their own realm...

If a Daedric Prince could subjigate another Prince through power, they would have done so already. Particularly Princes like Molag Bal and Dagon.

Again, no lore buff, but I don't think it would be logical for two powerful beings who can't be killed to fight each other directly. Rather I think their power would be measured in their creations, which then comes down to their spheres and their own minds.

Who have said that they cant be killed?

But as already stated there isn't any hierarchy as far as we know among them, and their powers are limitless within their spheres.

It's been said many times. Even lesser Daedra cannot die.

"We do not die. We do not fear death.

Destroy the Body, and the Animus is cast into The Darkness. But the Animus returns."

- Spirit of the Daedra.

That's not to say swimming in the waters of Oblivion is an enjoyable experience, oh heavens no. The mortal's Dreamsleave is pretty much mercy, since they do not remember as they are wiped into a clean slate. The daedra experience total darkness without any senses except an unrelenting and gnawing cold that bites them hard. They're spared from swimming the waters for too long, as long as they are in good standing with their lord, or else they come out maddened from the experience.

I didn't mean killed killed...

I'm sure a Daedric Prince could "kill" another physically, but they usually choose to fight their battles on Mundus with mortal champions. It's more entertaining for them.

About the only Daedra with a penchant for invading others' realms is Jyggalag.

MD invaded some space of Nocturnal's realm in Battlespire. Hell, he took a lot of Naturnal's seducers for his own, and the elemental daedra were just dining away on the energy from her realm or something.

That's not at all the same as directly challenging Nocturnal to a duel, though. He used subtrefuge and guerilla tactics to take what he wanted from his rival's realm - he's craftier than many fans and devs portray him as. Destruction isn't always a huge fireball after all. It can also be a slow acting poison. Never forget this in matters of Mehrunes Dagon.


Jyggalag, on the other hand, is a wild eyed crusader. He falls to earth like a meteor in a huge column of blue light and charges at his rival's main palace with claymore swinging. He very obviously enjoys challenging Daedric Princes' power directly. He is, in my mind, truly the least subtle and most direct combatant among Daedric Princes. Even Boethiah chooses to watch lesser servants fight it out.

Well I was getting to the point that it's not only Jyggy that invades other daedric prince's realms, the others do it too and pointed to MD as an example, since that's really the only time we know of when another prince invaded another prince's realm. But yes, MD can actually be cunning and subtle, his razor is also proof of that.

Also, I wouldn't say that Jyggy is the least subtle, he just knows how everyone is going to react and do, using the power of very fine tuned math and calculations. Everything he does has a high probability of succeed, because the calculations done all point to 99% certainty or something. Such formulas, however, does not work with mortals, since they're pretty chaotic, where as the divine are actually pretty static.

I think it's safe to say that with Dagon being the "Pawn of every Prince with true power," he is not the most powerful.

That doesn't mean he's any less powerful, it just means he's not the brightest of the bunch and is easily manipulated.

Consider the following:

A has the power to smash B,
B has the power to manipulate C,
C has the power to entice A.

Now if assume that when X has the power to do Y to Z, then X must be stronger the Z, or Y > Z.

So for the above, A > B > C > A.

Which is a contradiction. Which means the assumption Y > Z is wrong.

In other words, just because Y can do X to Z, it does not imply that one is absolutely stronger then the other. Considering however that being able to to say that Y is stronger or more powerful then Z is a requirement to create an ordering of powers, this discussion proves to be impossible.

I've always thought that, for some reason, Boethiah and Azura were basically the most powerful. Being primary Dunmer gods as well as both being "good" Daedra. Also, it seems that those two had a hand in almost everything one way or another, that was happening on Nirn.

But maybe its just because I love Boethiah and Azura, they rock! As said before, MD is described as being cunning, yet he's a big pawn to the others. While lady Nocturnal is "Royalty".

It just seems weird to me, because you never really think of Sanguine or Clavicus Vile doing anything REALLY important or bad or something. They're just sort of there to fill out the gaps. I mean, you hardly hear about Hircine doing anything that mattered, and yet even he played a huge (main in fact) role in Bloodmoon.

Clavicus Vile does a lot of bad things. Think of him as the devil. Say you need tickets to the Hanna Montanan concert for 4 people, but all the tickets are sold out/too expensive. So, in a time of desperation, the devil appears and is willing to give you 4 Hanna Montana tickets at the cost of your soul/something that seems insignificant at the time but will bite you in the butt later. Plus, CV is an important character in Redguard.

Sanguine used to have parties in the imperial palace. But other than that, I find him to be a svcky version of Slaanesh.

Also, Hermaeus Mora... I used to think he was like, God or something. Turns out he's just a high-horse riding octopus who really doesn't do jack-[censored]. Supposedly he's master of time and fate and all that crap, but he just doesn't seem to really be that much of a "God" as the other Princes. I think Mora was really just added as an easter egg reference to Cthulu.

Malacath is also a very young prince, isn't he? He was made when Boethiah ate him, when he was Trinimac, and crapped him out as Malacath. He doesn't do a whole lot. So I think its safe to say that, yes, there certainly is some degree of higher and lesser power among the Princes. Like if 2 got in one-on-one battle, you could probably say, "Alright, Boethiah is gonna win." Or some other thing.

I have always thought of Boethiah as a Sload "god".
I mean the Daedra of Plots, doesn't it fit them quite well?

Hmm... maybe should work on another article when I'm done with this one.

Hey HEY! :swear: :grad: No Badmouthing Sanguine. I'll not stand for it. lol :brokencomputer: