Daedric Princes Related?!? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:35 pm

Okay so maybe someone can clarify this for me:

I've been doing a lot of reading on the Daedra (their lore has always fascinated me) and it seems like some of them are related? Is this true? I read on TIL that Molag Bal alludes to being the father of Vaermina........

Anyone able to expand upon this? I understand that they were all created from Anu and/or Padomay but I didn't think there were actual relationships like mother/father, brother/sister, son/daughter, etc.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:57 pm

Daedra are simply the et'Ada that float around in the Void and mess with the Mundus. Where they originate is irrelevant. Meridia is an outcast Magne-Ge. Mehrunes Dagon was a Magne-Ge who became a Leaper Demon and then was cursed/eaten by Alduin.

I would read the Molag Bal being the father of Vaermina in a metaphoric sense. Vaermina is the god who weaves lies and deceit around mortals. Molag Bal dominates. Those two things can be correlated.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:09 am

In Daggerfall Sheogorath calls the other Princes his unbrothers and nonsisters, suggesting the family relation is just a metaphor and they aren't real siblings.

Also I believe Varieties of Faith claims Hermaeus is Mephala's brother, and thus is related to the Morag Tong.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:32 am

Doesn't Mora claim to be the oldest of the Daedra?

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:28 pm

In Daggerfall Sheogorath calls the other Princes his unbrothers and nonsisters, suggesting the family relation is just a metaphor and they aren't real siblings.

In addition to Malacath, these two are not considered "true" daedric princes to the others, as Malacath was born late from Boethiah passing Trinimac, while Sheogorath was the insanity that'd spark from the creation of Mundus.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:05 pm

Doesn't Mora claim to be the oldest of the Daedra?

Nocturnal is the first Daedra. Hermaeus claims to merely be one of the eldest. Presumably he is the second oldest, or they were twins and Mephala is just Nocturnal putting on a mask.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:13 pm

Why is Nocturnal the oldest?

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:51 pm

Why is Nocturnal the oldest?

Aspect of the primordial darkness of Sithis. Most of the Daedra respect her as the Ur-Dra, so they certainly believe it.

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:37 pm

The Dark Brotherhood is a cult of the primordial darkness of Sithis and yet remains younger than the Morag Tong. Where do we find the Daedra honoring her as Ur-dra?

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:32 am

The Dark Brotherhood is a cult of the primordial darkness of Sithis and yet remains younger than the Morag Tong. Where do we find the Daedra honoring her as Ur-dra?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/imperial-census-daedra-lords

"Nocturnal is accorded the title Ur-dra by nearly all the Royalty of Oblivion. As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, and it is generally deemed best to fortify this declaration in one’s evening prayers."

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:21 pm

To note, that link Sithis linked could be considered canon, until otherwise, as that was supposed to be included in the Oblivion Collector's Edition, but didn't due to time.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:59 pm

Hmm. How best to misinterpret this.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:02 am

I'm half canon, but my other half's late.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:05 am

I notice that same document lists Molag Bal as the brother of Hermaeus Mora, a most dubious claim.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:53 pm

I notice that same document lists Molag Bal as the brother of Hermaeus Mora, a most dubious claim.

Well considering all of Mora's tentacles...

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:54 pm

Mehrunes Dagon, not Herma Mora.

Why is my brain malfunctioning?

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:25 am

Don't answer that.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:43 am

They're not even human.

That they so often fight in Mundex Arena should spoil the surprise: they're sixteen and one shades of Lorkhan.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:52 pm

That they so often fight in Mundex Arena should spoil the surprise: they're sixteen and one shades of Lorkhan.

You mean 18 minus the Victor.