Seeing the Xbox achievements for Skyrim got me thinking. You get an achievement for completing 15 daedric shrine quests. This seem to imply there are 15 daedric shrines in the game, like in Oblivion. However, traditionally there are 16 Daedric Princes(Mehrunes Dagon didn't have a shrine quest in Oblivion).

Daedric Princes play a big part in any Elder Scrolls game. Mehrunes Dagon was the primary antagonist of Oblivion. Though I have no doubt Dagon survived, he was soundly beaten by the Avatar of Akatosh. In Shivering Isles the goal of the player is to stop the Grey March, where the Daedric Prince of Order, Jyggalag, try to invade the realm of Sheogorath, the Shivering Isles. You find out midway through that Sheogorath is Jyggalag and that the other Daedric Princes cursed him with Madness. However, when the player defeats him in the end, he frees Jyggalag from his curse and takes the mantle of Sheogorath.

Since the new Sheogorath is a mortal, is he still alive in Skyrim? Is there a Sheogorath? Is there a Jyggalag? or is neither of them in the game?

I figure the missing one is Mehrunes Dagon. I don't think a time frame has ever been established for how long it takes a Prince to regain form and strength.

I figure Dagon's body was shattered and caste back into the flames of Oblivion during the end of the Third Era. So it'll take atleast 500 years for him to regain his form and strength to contact Nirn again.

The achievement is actually collecting 15 daedric artifacts. That doesn't mean that we acquire them through shrine quests or that there are ONLY 15. Just saying.

Hircine! Oh and some Molag Bal and his sixual violating epicness!

I agree. If it said collect all daedric artifacts, that would be different. But it gives a specific number, sort of implying their might be more, which is what I'm thinking. I'm going to guess that Dagon has a shrine by now, since its been 200 years. Maybe not a public shrine in the middle of the forest, but a shrine somewhere.

True, Dagon may not have recovered yet. But if the ending of Shivering Isles factor into this, there is a new Sheogorath and Jyggalag, making them 17 in total, 16 if you don't count Dagon.



True, but I would still say it implies there are 15 shrines.

Well some ppl loved how u could find daedric artifacts in morrowind so this is good news for them
If its like oblivion then idk
But i would doubt bethesda would do it the same way again

The 15 out of 16 thing could easily mean one of the daedric gods doesnt have a quest for u
I.e dagon is gone and jyggalag or hermeous mora doesnt want anything to do with you lol

Exactly, there could be 27 different daedric princes for all we know, as long as you pick up at least 15 daedric artifacts then you get the achievement. Sort of like the achievement for hitting level 50 even though there is no hard level cap and you can actually get up into the 70s (with a soft level cap)

exactly this

i don't think there are only 15.. if so i'd think it'd say
"collect ALL 15 daedric artifacts"

meh idk
thats not the actual achievement
its collect 15 daedric artifacts, not do 15 daedric quests
there could be a mix of artifacts collected in daedra shrine quests, and daedric artifacts just lost in hard-to-reach locales
so this doesnt mean there are only 15 daedric shrines that offer quests

that being said, im guessing they went with oblivs dumbed down version where daedric artifacts are primarily only shrine quest rewards
so who knows :sadvaultboy:

There ARE 16 confirmed Daedric Princes (Azura | Boethiah | Clavicus Vile | Hermaeus Mora | Hircine | Malacath | Mehrunes Dagon | Mephala | Meridia | Molag Bal | Namira | Nocturnal | Peryite | Sanguine | Sheogorath/Jyggalag | Vaermina), but some have more than one artifact.

Lets start by discussing the Daedric Princes one by one.

Azura is obviously in, and I'd bet good money that you perform a quest for her and receive the Azura's Star.

Boethia is definitely in, with the Goldbrand as his reward.

Clavicus VIle has a shrine in Oblivion, but not Morrowind. His relics are the Masque and the Bitter Cup. Considering he had a part in Umbriel in the novels, I'd doubt he's missing from Skyrim.

Hermaus Mora is another one who took a break in Morrowind and returned in Oblivion, though he's arguably the most interesting of them. He may not be in Skyrim, but he most likely will. I still want to go to his plane.

Hircine is obviously in. Werewolves are his hunters, and werewolves are likely in Skyrim. His reward will most likely be the Savior's Hide.

Jyggalag probably won't be. He's free from Sheogorath I believe, but I don't think there's been enough time for him to have established himself as a Prince to have servants and such, and he really has no reward in the lore to give us.

Malacath will probably be in as well, with the Scourge or Volendrung as his reward.

Mehrunes Dagon will probably be in Skyrim. He's tried to invade Tamriel like 3 or 4 different times, so it's not like losing again has banished him forever. We'll probably summon him for a quest and receive his Razor.

Mephala might be in Skyrim, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't, honestly.

^ Same with Meridia ^

I hope Molag Bal is in. His quests are always fun an using him to cure vampirism in Morrowind > the witch in Oblivion. Mace of Molag Bal as a reward.

Nocturnal might as well, depending on if the Cowl will be a big deal again. If not, there's always the Bow of Shadows and the Skeleton Key.

Namira's uninteresting and only offers a ring. I can see her without a shrine.

Peryite is interesting because hes a Prince that looks like a Dragon. Maybe we'll fight him!!

Sanguine should be in with a funny quest for the Rose.

Sheogorath is still a Daedric Prince, and nobody knows the Champion of Cyrodiil took over as him (what a stupid, lore-breaking idea on Bethesda's part) I hope he's in. If not, Bethesda ruined one of the best princes.

I can see Vaermina in or not in. I hope she is though. Her Oblivion quest was my favorite of the daedric quests.

Given them, I think all of them except Namira and Jyggalag get a shrine with a quest.

whoa whoa whoa... just because there are daedric artifacts... doesn't mean there will be only 1 per god... or doesn't mean that there aren't other daedric gods in skyrim... think about it... in america most are christian/jewish but look across the seas and what do you see? many other religions. hebrew, buddist, all kinds of things.. so it's not impossible that there would be new gods in a new continent and 200 years later by all means...the lore is just from what we could learn in past games... the overall collective knowledge from TES 1-4...is the skyrim lore already released?? if so i have yet to see it.

That's cool, i just pulled a random number out of a hat for the sake of making a point about the listed xbox achievement. It's nice that there will be more than one artifact per prince, after my fist run in OB I didn't do all the Daedric quests again since i knew i had no use for some of the rewards.

We're talking strictly about Daedra in this thread, though, not Aedra or other miscellaneous gods (like Magnus).

ah ok.. got ya lol..
but still in 200 years there may have been more daedric princes ??
idk.. won't know til the lore is surrounding us.

I got the impression that Daedric Princes could not be destroyed.

Given that the 16 traditional Daedric Princes have pretty much been there from the beginning without any additions, until Shivering Isles, that seems very unlikely.