is there anywere you can download arena or daggerfall for free? or if its a payed download thats fine, i just dont wanna have to get it off ebay or something.

Arena is available for free off the main site.

Daggerfall is not available for download. The demo is, though, so try it.

where can i find this demo and how do i get it to work when I do?

In my sig, already put together. Just read the readme file.

[edit] never mind, apparently all my files have been deleted. I'll reupload some other time.

ok link didn't really help but on UESP I found two different daggerfall demos in the daggerfall files section are these the same? and how do I get them to run?

I just uploaded the two Daggerfall demos. Just unpack the files to a new folder by using http://www.7-zip.org/ and double-click on DOSBox.exe and it will run.

http://www.bahnhof.se/wb462449/elderscrolls/DaggerfallBetony.7z
http://www.bahnhof.se/wb462449/elderscrolls/DaggerfallPreview.7z