Daggerfall had nudity... : V - Skyrim

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:02 am

well folks lets make it clear, we all know that through mods nudity will be added to the game, in oblivion you can't use half the mods you'd like without a body mod, this body mod will make you nvde since it doesn't have the permanent underwear option from psychodog studio's Better Bodies mod in morrowind

anyone else agree with me on this? :spotted owl:

When are you people going to learn that "game X had feature Y, so game Z should also have feature Y" isn't an argument worth squat?

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:18 am

Nudity has been in films for decades now, why not video games. If maturely done, what would the issue be. Also if you want to sell games just look at COD and GTA they thrive on nudity and violence. News companies and religious zealots whine and complain, which sells even more copies. Nudity and or Violence = ￡￡￡.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:13 am

well folks lets make it clear, we all know that through mods nudity will be added to the game, in oblivion you can't use half the mods you'd like without a body mod, this body mod will make you nvde since it doesn't have the permanent underwear option from psychodog studio's Better Bodies mod in morrowind

Why should bethesda not make the stock bodies in the game naked? to get less harsh criticism? rated for teens? teens don't use mods do they? ESRB rated Daggerfall M because it had a females chest without a bra in it! but morrowind T because it didn't have [censored] in the stock game... so... come on... the game will be modded, its a part of all the elder scrolls games since morrowind. all bethesda games in fact. nudity is the least bad thing out of all the things you will see in mods. i'm just wondering... why no nudity? from my perspective its practically wrong not to tag morrowind and oblivion with the nudity tag from ESRB... zombies are butt nekkid!

on my oblivion game it says "15. Contains moderate violence." in my game "Contains nudity, strong violence and language, suggestive themes, Drug and Alcohol usage (Potions anyone? come on!)" and tons more, through mods! without the mods it contains all of these anyways except for the nudity, its almost wrong to make a game be rated for 12 year olds instead of 18 because it doesn't have nudity in the stock version, so why not let the game be rated for the features it will contain eventually? i mean sure even if it contains nudity from my point of view i still don't see why a 12 year old shouldn't play it, doesn't have six, come on haven't you seen your mother? (of course you have) its pretty basic... and offers some more gameplay content like peoples genitals freezing off if they are naked for too long outside

(resulting in a horrible death)

anyone else agree with me on this? :spotted owl:

Well, because the game would be rated "Ao" (for advlt only)...and if they want to publish theire game on consoles...well, it would be hard...
Sony doesn't publish "Ao" games, and nether Microsoft...

And I see you are or you have an European version of the game...(the "M" rating is 17 and older, while "Ao" is 18 and older)...I don't like the european ratings, it rates the games differently...and ( don't like the little pictures... I prefer the ESRB's "no pictures" thing...)...

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:34 am

Two Words: Whiny parents.

Also, apparently a larger portion of the human race is apparently extremely delicate. I mean, if there's boob or more, you're a heathen and will go to hell.

I don't think I'll ever understand how people will act like nudity is over the top but you won't hardly hear crap when someone is dismembered (Fallout), so yeah.
Priorities are a little strange it seems.

On a Game related note: Put it in the options. Heck, game consoles are supposed to have Parent Controls. If the game had the option, and someones kid saw skin, exactly who's fault is it then anyways?

Parent: My kid saw boob!
Me: You set the option for that not to happen?
Parent: No?
Me: Then I don't want to hear it.

It's rated M for a reason people. Half the time I'm surprised game violence is rated M anymore since people let their kids play them anyway. And 'sixual Themes' seems to be there for characters walking around in lingerie or something.

Put it in the options.

I'm half expecting a warning after putting this.

» Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:51 pm

Just to defend the ESRB a little bit, but the ESRB has given M ratings to games that depict female briasts, such as God of War 3, and Dante's Inferno. What the ESRB really seems to have a problem with is fully depicted six acts (but even Red Dead Redemption got away with that by not showing lower parts) and reproductive organs. Bethesda could probably get an M rating and show female briasts, but what would be the point of it? What artistic, narrative, what have you aspect in Skyrim can only be expressed with nipbles? Is there any substantial addition nudity makes to Skyrim outside of fan-service?

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:53 am

Hmm... society tabboos.
Anyway since someone can mod the game to have nudity,and since these kind of mods are coming out very early I don't think there is a problem. At least for computer gamers.
But generally game makers doesn't include nudity at their games.
At least I don't know myself any game that it shipped with nvde characters other than the Duke Nukem games.
But sure,if Duke can have it,why TES not ?

Well, the game Saboteur was released for consoles (maybe PC as well, I don't know) and that contained full frontal nudity, if you had some special thing, and even without it, you LIVE IN A [censored] STRIP CLUB. And as far as I know, that game hasn't got THAT much bad publicity for the nudity. So hopefully Skyrim will at least have more than the very, very limited swearing in Oblivion.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:14 am

An incredibly stupid idea, look at the UN human right commission as a worst case scenario.
Yes some lands like Japan have very liberal censoring but China has strict one some other are far worse.

Note I said saner... as in not the six ratings of america and not the violent ratings of germany... As in dont listen to wackjobs.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:57 pm

What artistic, narrative, what have you aspect in Skyrim can only be expressed with nipbles? Is there any substantial addition nudity makes to Skyrim outside of fan-service?

None, save for maybe the Daedra Lord Sanguine and everything related to him :lol:

. And yeah, I know that was a rhetorical question.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:51 am

Note I said saner... as in not the six ratings of america and not the violent ratings of germany... As in dont listen to wackjobs.

Yes and I understood that

problem is that this restrict you to Japan and countries with no censoring.

Used a nvde mod in Oblivion but it was pretty pointless, in Morrowind it actually added to the game as the dreamers looked even more insane then they were nvde. You also had the nvde Nord who made little sense if he was wearing shorts

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:03 am

For the first twelve hours of its release, anyways.

I have my money on three. Depending on whether or not the Creation Kit is released at the same time

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:45 am

Because elder scrolls went mainstream and the united states is full of people who are okay with their kids witnessing violence in all its gruesome forms in video games, but one digital briast and there's an uproar.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:24 am

I never said they should, I agree that it's unnecessary. I was stating an opinion based on another post about the general thinking around nudity these days.

Nods, your right!

I'm only sensitive about the topic because of my kids, nothing at all personal Urge!

Like I said, I would be all for it if a parental control option were included - then everyone could be "Happy".

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:53 am

Because elder scrolls went mainstream and the united states is full of people who are okay with their kids witnessing violence in all its gruesome forms in video games, but one digital briast and there's an uproar.

This reminds me of a moderator's post some 7 years back in these forums that went "Stealing is a crime, but killing is ok? Man, you guys must be from Texas." :lol:

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Yeah, the US is strange that way. Just violence is commonplace, but a little bit of nudity, drugs or anything similar sparks backlash.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:51 pm

I'm sure this have been said, I will say it anyway...

They shouldn't make a "six simulator" as that feels a little out of places. I'm playing the game to roleplay a fantasy mage/warrior/thief not to have intercourse with good looking elves or whatever.
But! I don't see any problem with having nudity in the game if they put it in in a realistic way. Like taking away underwear's and instead have most of the people being dressed most of the time. But maybe if they make brothels, the girls or boys there would be nvde.

Who knows, I wont mind if the vanilla game contains nudity. I'm going to download a nudity mod first thing I do anyway...

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:16 am

Full nudity à la Daggerfall will make the game advlt-Only. Most (if not all) retailers do not sell advlt-Only titles.

Having full nudity in 3D world is different than Daggerfall's portraits or Duke Nukem 3D's low-detailed 2D strippers.
I believe that if Daggerfall had been released today with the same nudity features (Your character's protrait, some fully naked monsters and nudity paintings), it would have been rated advlt-Only.

A good example is The Witcher. The retail release did not contain the original nudity because it would have been rated AO. But, later, they released the original version available only by buying it online and downloading it.

So, no. No nudity thanks. I don't care about viewing it, but I'm thinking business-wise.

Diablo had full nudity, and Dungeonkeeper had lewd graffiti and a monster that would torture itself for fun, and get happier when slapped, and in the end of the game, had a very suggestive ending involving drunk trolls and a hero knight magically polymorphed into a naked female troll.

I can see 'business-wise' curbing the content, but I can hardly call any of that advlt. IMO Rated 'M' is for "marginal" not mature; or if not that, then for "meaningless".

Also.... I agree about the pixelated sprite point (with Daggerfrall and Duke Nukem), but I don't consider it any less myself. The implied nature of it is identical; or even worse, as the abstract is in a way even more suggestive. Diablo's carved up nvdes on pikes was a stronger image than anything I saw on Oblivion (or dungeonkeeper). There was also a chained up woman hanging from a wall (animated) in the resource files, (it was probably made for the "Butcher's Lair") but I don't think they used it anywhere.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:31 am

Why would we NEED nudity? I mean, if I'm some guy who just killed and dismembered another guy and want to take his armor because it looks so great, I won't also take of his underwear. Besides, what do I get from seeing a dead men's junk? Same goes for women. Most people in the Elder Scrolls who don't wear anything are dead. If you really feel the need for nudity, then you can download a mod and feel happy about. Btw, I have those textures installed, but the novelty wears off pretty quickly, it just seems weird after a while that all the women have perfect body, no matter what their age is.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:07 pm

It has nothing to do with bad publicity, religion or anything like that. It simply comes down to economics. Why would a company increase their rating, thus potentially reducing their sales, by adding in something that adds nothing of value other then fullfilling the twisted need of some who are hard up to see some briasts. It just makes zero sense from a business perspective and that is why you won't see nudity in Skyrim.

Those games that do have it in most likely already had a mature rating without nudity so adding it in didn't matter as much.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:33 am

Why would we NEED nudity?

Because in some places it would be there, and it contradicts sense and suspension of disbelief to have it curiously absent. :shrug:

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:37 pm

Nudity can easily be modded in, its not necessary for the base game to have.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:48 pm

I guess nudity wouldn't be too bad in a world full of young perfect bodies. Otherwise, I'd prefer they keep covered.

Folks, let's stay away from any discussion of puritans and Bible Belt evangelicals since that is considered religious discussion and not allowed here. Also be careful about targeting specific countries and/or sections of countries to flame. The next time there is moderator intervention...this discussion will be closed since nudity isn't part of the game.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:34 am

It has nothing to do with bad publicity, religion or anything like that. It simply comes down to economics. Why would a company increase their rating, thus potentially reducing their sales, by adding in something that adds nothing of value other then fullfilling the twisted need of some who are hard up to see some briasts. It just makes zero sense from a business perspective and that is why you won't see nudity in Skyrim.

Those games that do have it in most likely already had a mature rating without nudity so adding it in didn't matter as much.

That right there is the single most meaningful argument I've seen in quite a while here.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:23 am

It has nothing to do with bad publicity, religion or anything like that. It simply comes down to economics. Why would a company increase their rating, thus potentially reducing their sales, by adding in something that adds nothing of value other then fullfilling the twisted need of some who are hard up to see some briasts. It just makes zero sense from a business perspective and that is why you won't see nudity in Skyrim.

Those games that do have it in most likely already had a mature rating without nudity so adding it in didn't matter as much.

Imagine an evil slaver, heartless and vindictive, with a pen full of dirty, tired, and beaten "product" ~yet she/or he (villain that they are) allows them modesty and a way to hide possessions.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:03 pm

Because they've worked out the level of maturity that they want for TES already.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:46 am

Because they've worked out the level of maturity that they want for TES already.

I'll agree with that.

» Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:39 am

I don't think "Why not have nudity," is a very meaningful question. "Why should we have nudity," is much more helpful. Answer that and I will care. I however don't see any need for nudity in the game. I don't think it would add anything really.