well folks lets make it clear, we all know that through mods nudity will be added to the game, in oblivion you can't use half the mods you'd like without a body mod, this body mod will make you nvde since it doesn't have the permanent underwear option from psychodog studio's Better Bodies mod in morrowind

Why should bethesda not make the stock bodies in the game naked? to get less harsh criticism? rated for teens? teens don't use mods do they? ESRB rated Daggerfall M because it had a females chest without a bra in it! but morrowind T because it didn't have [censored] in the stock game... so... come on... the game will be modded, its a part of all the elder scrolls games since morrowind. all bethesda games in fact. nudity is the least bad thing out of all the things you will see in mods. i'm just wondering... why no nudity? from my perspective its practically wrong not to tag morrowind and oblivion with the nudity tag from ESRB... zombies are butt nekkid!

on my oblivion game it says "15. Contains moderate violence." in my game "Contains nudity, strong violence and language, suggestive themes, Drug and Alcohol usage (Potions anyone? come on!)" and tons more, through mods! without the mods it contains all of these anyways except for the nudity, its almost wrong to make a game be rated for 12 year olds instead of 18 because it doesn't have nudity in the stock version, so why not let the game be rated for the features it will contain eventually? i mean sure even if it contains nudity from my point of view i still don't see why a 12 year old shouldn't play it, doesn't have six, come on haven't you seen your mother? (of course you have) its pretty basic... and offers some more gameplay content like peoples genitals freezing off if they are naked for too long outside (resulting in a horrible death)

anyone else agree with me on this? :spotted owl:

Basically to not risk any bad publicity, and to keep the rating as low as possible to appeal to a wider audience. Just wait for mods if you want naked bodies, they usually do a better job than Beth anyway and have high res textures.

Hmm... society tabboos.
Anyway since someone can mod the game to have nudity,and since these kind of mods are coming out very early I don't think there is a problem. At least for computer gamers.
But generally game makers doesn't include nudity at their games.
At least I don't know myself any game that it shipped with nvde characters other than the Duke Nukem games.
But sure,if Duke can have it,why TES not ?

Full nudity à la Daggerfall will make the game advlt-Only. Most (if not all) retailers do not sell advlt-Only titles.

Having full nudity in 3D world is different than Daggerfall's portraits or Duke Nukem 3D's low-detailed 2D strippers.
I believe that if Daggerfall had been released today with the same nudity features (Your character's protrait, some fully naked monsters and nudity paintings), it would have been rated advlt-Only.

A good example is The Witcher. The retail release did not contain the original nudity because it would have been rated AO. But, later, they released the original version available only by buying it online and downloading it.

So, no. No nudity thanks. I don't care about viewing it, but I'm thinking business-wise.

I agree but there are many national governments that don't.

It is good that people wear clothing. M'Aiq wears clothing. Who would want to see M'Aiq naked? Sick, sick people. Very sad.

Nah,even with today's graphics games with nudity doesn't have to get AO.
Did you watched the trailer of DNF ?
It has full nudity,and the game got an M rating by esrb and 18 from pegi.

These posts crack me up.

The ESRB and mature game content didn't really become a hot topic until Mortal Kombat, which i think was after Daggerfall

WHY SHOULD they put nudity in the game, the people who want it will download mods so why put that on vanilla

and bap puplic picture blah blah blah...

You clearly haven't played Dantes Inferno even just the demo on xbox live had nudity, good game too.

I'm surprised by the M rating by the ESRB.
Since the Witcher's original edition had been rated AO (If I recall correctly), I was expecting the same from Duke Nukem Forever's original content as well. Hopefully the retail has not cut content.

Regarding PEGI, unless I'm mistaken with the UK's BBFC, I think it is illegal to buy an 18 rated game?
While an M rated title in North America is not illegal to be bought by someone underage.

Oh and Duke Nukem's sales are immuned from advlt ratings. He's just that awesome.

Yes,I didn't played it. I can't play all the games that come out so there might be some I don't know of. :shrug:

age of conan online....

I didn't mean i want nudity in the stock game, i was wondering why it wont be. Cliffworms pretty much hit it :foodndrink:

you can't sell M rated titles to people under 17... customers are supposed to have to show ID

Society. Its ok to have games with lots of blood and violence, but Talos forbid it has nudity.

Well retailers are not supposed to sell 18+ games to people that are younger than that,but there are always people greedy enough to sell 18+ games to lets say 10 year old boys if the boys hold fresh cash on their hands! :ninja:

Greedy or not, i'd sell the poor kid the game he wants, i mean.. how cruel is it to let a child not have the game it wants? (like taking candy from a baby!) and besides... if you wont sell it to the kid he'll come back later with his mom or dad who will buy it for him. in the end its the same result!

Retailers can't, but the law can't intervene in the process. I believe the store may get sanctions if caught doing so, but it is not illegal in the law term to sell games to underaged buyers.

Well, as you might imagine 2d and 3d nudity are a fair bit different, and I think most of the time the nudity would be out of context. IE: "Huh huh huh look theres bewbs :ahhh:"

I assume Bethesda already has "nvde models" since they usually design clothing and armor around a body template, they just don't include that sort of stuff as it causes hassle on release. The female body diffuse and normal maps in Fallout actually contained briasts (albeit no "specific" texturing on them for obvious reasons) so all this stuff *is* technically already in the game files.

I've got a saying; full nudity or don't bother. It'd just come off as biased if you have briasts but no male gentilia of any kind, or as the Morrowind "Better bodies Mod" calls it, the Peanut Gallery version. AFAIK in Canada and most European countries, female toplessness is not nudity, but I think it is in America and that's where most of TES sales come from, so in America that could earn you an AO rating. So yeah, basically you always lose if there's explicit nudity; it's a media deathtrap.

you're right, but i don't even think you get sanctions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERSB#Restricted_ratings

It's just a policy retailers have.

We're using Daggerfall as the example of nudity? What about Battlespire? Go ahead. Start up Battlespire and select a female character. Complete nudity.

Well I live in Europe and it's something usuall to see topless women at beaches at summer time,but it's not usuall elsewhere,for example at downtown market.

I like how you say "Supposed" :celebration: and i still like your name!

I agree. It's not so much that I want to see nudity, but I'd like a nittier grittier fantasy world that would appeal to a more mature audience. I mean, the game's already pretty violent. A little sixual elements wouldn't hurt too much, would they?