Well randomized dungeon can be done as special scripted plane or realm what changes its forms randomly like Quagmire plane of Oblivion, if devs will make some unique quests for Vaermina
Such scripted dungeons can be done with mods also, since modders do some steps in such direction before

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Daggerfall needed that approach due to there being hundreds of thousands of dungeons in that game, versus approximately 200 or so now. It's not *needed* until the game world grows significantly larger again. And if it comes back some day, I don't think it will be "Daggerfall Dungeons" yet again. There are many ways to "randomize" a dungeon. I.e. a similar central room could have 20-30 "cave arms" in it, but only one was available at any given dungeon. Now you have a single dungeon build that can "look different" in 20-30 different dungeons.

Whether that is possible would depend on how they make the dungeons in Skyrim.

Agree with OP, not his idea.. but his appreciation of DF's dungeons.

Other TES games dungeons simply pale in comparrison.. even the biggest dungeons in oblivion (Ebrocca, sundercliffe watch, Cann) were about 1/8th the size of Castle wayrest or Direnni Tower.

I never got lost in an oblivion dungeon, which is a shame.. getting lost in DF dungeons is an awesome feeling. The quest you were on quickly becomes a fight for survival.

Yeah, I think it is quite a bit easier to have that feature in in a game without the details of modern games.

There are only two ways to create huge, varied, beautiful artificial worlds.

One is to employ legion of designers, handcrafting each pile of rocks and cave of wet goblins.
Another is procedural generation.

In my opinion, second way is MUCH more interesting. It does not completely excludes manual design, it just makes it a lot less tedious. And world (and dungeon) generating algorithms could and should be way more interesting, than ones used in Daggerfall.

Well I believe they still based on tiles.


Yes thats is, fun from dungeon crawling was significantly lowered in Oblivion, large and unique dungeons will be nice to see, I remember old Ultima game series what has awesome dungeons where dungeons create caves system of Underworld and can work alternative way to reach some locations.

Another thing thats reduce uniqueness of dungeons (and interieurs also) in Oblivion thats tiles become pre-assembled in rooms mostly, thats make rooms looks too generic.

In other news, nobody plays Minecraft or DwarfFortress. At all.

Well

A. Powerful deadra artifact(let's say a jewel) made for an angry, spiteful and powerful deadra to satsify his insatiable thirst for challenging combat. Runs off soul stones energy. Actually creates a pocket dimension in their plane of existence.

B. Ancient Dwemer technology. Creatures come from basic summons spells. Was used to train their warriors for any eventuality and improve their combat proficiency in general.

There's two off the top of my head.

Seriously, this fantasy game. Things like this are easy to epxplain away via lore.

If they can still do it, I wouldn't mind if they had like an addon thing, but I wouldn't want it in the Vanilla game.

Randomized dungeons, are you insane?!!!

You ever tried to look at a dungeon from a designer's perspective? You would end up with extremely generic and boring dungeons that all look the same, more or less. In Daggerfall, you basically saw the same rooms over and over, just in different configurations. And there were basically zero clutter back in the day. Everything was just sprites and similar that just had their default locations.

Today, dungeons are more handmade than ever before, and we got the technology to do that pretty well. You'll also likely gonna visit EVERY SINGLE dungeon at some point. For daggerfall, chances were that you never got to experience half of the dungeons - as in "never in your lifetime". Daggerfall was the very definition of redundancy.

Randomized dungeons (as it was in Daggerfall)? - No thanks!

you, my friend, have lived a veryy good life lol.

There is no point to randomized dungeons. Even if they had a tool that could do it without it being too bland and all looking the same there just is not enough room on the map to justify switching them with hand made ones. In Oblivion there was a dungeon every where you looked and they were all hand done. So unless they make the map 5 times larger there just is not enough room to justify making dungeons with some random generator.

As far as Daggerfalls dungeons they were a nightmare, nothing more than a multi leveled maze. As much as I loved Daggerfall the prospect of finding that one npc to kill for a quest in one of those huge dungeons ended up not being fun. You could spend several hours and after clearing it of everything you see still not find the one you needed to kill. It usually would end up with me casting find enemy then going to the corner and climbing the side until it sent you through the wall into blackness of the void then casting levitate and then moving around top find the npc killing it from outside the wall basically exploiting a bug just to finish one stupid quest.

While I agree at Oblivion, you're absolutely wrong with Morrowind. Each and every dungeon was a masterpiece of world art. You just have to look at the details, rather than the layout. They even cleverly used something so despised as "Leveled loot" to give context to the dungeon. You find Dwemer enchanted items in Dwemer ruins (And smuggler caves), stuff like that. That's even before getting into the finer detailing, like placing seemingly useless baubles (Lockpicks, cups, ect) in specific areas. For example, in One outlaw-theme cave, you might find one segment as the common area. Mostly low-tier stuff, clay jars, ect. But further in, you start seeing extravagant Limeware, high-quality clothes, expensive liquors, ect. And a reasonable connection can be made about the "Story" of the dungeon. ONe area is where the underlings were, here's where the head-honcho shacks up.

The fact that their work was wasted on your inept perception, does not make their designs "Vanilla".

Oh, lordy, my least favorite part of Daggerfall. First of all they all looked sort of alike, then there was the getting lost and there being no help anywhere for getting out. No web page, nothing. Then there was the svcky mapping--with all that zooming in and out to figure out your location as compared to the exit, which was almost as bad as having no map at all.

And Skyrim probably won't have anything as sane as Mark and Recall to help you.

I was never so relieved as when I found out about the cheat to get out of dungeons quickly.

No. No. No. No. :brokencomputer:

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IjRgoGWUBo/Sh8BsDCsa2I/AAAAAAAAAMw/qizDHQlgq7U/s400/random-encounter.jpg always seem to go like this.

All I hear is "it's too hard, make it easy for me". Some of us don't like our games stupidly easy that a toddler could play it. Some of us actually like difficult things, and challenging games in general. I can go watch a movie if I wanted "easy mode gaming", which seems to be more and more where we are headed.

Yup. The most randomized it can get is random enemies being spawned with randomized weapons, armor and equipment.

There is a difference between challenge and annoyance.

Big difference between easy and generic randomness.

yeah im playing through daggerfall and randomised dungeons are probably its worst feature, id rather have handcrafted unique dungeons with randomised/levelled loot

Not always. Challenges are annoyances to people who like spoon fed easy mode.

What do you like about generic randomness?

I liked Daggerfall, but most of those randomized dungeons were a MESS. It was a game where levitation was required. That said, I DID occasionally really like to explore for days. It was just problematic ALL THE TIME.