I love Elder Scrolls Lore, but there's something that's bothering me. I've only ever heard bits and pieces of the story of how dagon use to be a Leaper demon king or something.

I hope somebody can lay out for me, preferably in chronological order any and all events regarding dagons origin and some facts about the demon kings life and such.

The whole thing is really confusing to me and id appreciate any help or input on the subject, even links to information. The whole story is muddled up in my head ( hiding bits of previous kalpas and stuff ...)

This is the second time I've wrote this, but I'm on my iPod and something went wrong so I apologise for any discrepancies. Thanks in advance to anyone who contributes.

Here's a good reference/reading for you:
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

I'm not going to try and break it down-- I'm not super familiar with how it relates to everything as the whole-- but hopefully that's a helpful link, in the meantime. :happy:

Edited for grammar.

There's another thread on this on the first page. You might find some good answers there.

There are no facts in the merethic era.

Facts was probably the wrong word to to use, I was just looking for anything we know, or anything we think we know

Chronological order?

For things that happened before time began?

Yeah, good luck with that.

Again chronological is probably the wrong word and I apologise. I was merely asking for what we know

What we know is that there is a story implying that there is/are/were spirits known as Leaper Demons who ran about saving bits of the Mundus from the devouring jaws of Alduin at the end of each cycle of existence, so that hopefully they could store enough away eventually that Alduin would not be able to finish his meal and the cycle would be broken. They had a king - the Leaper Demon King - and a bargain with someone known as the Greedy Man, who helped (instigated) their endeavors. The story goes that Alduin eventually caught on to their scheme and cursed the Leaper Demon King out of his true self, renamed him Dagon, and doomed him to destroy all the bits of the world that he had stored away.

Thus comes Mehrunes Dagon, Daedra of destruction and natural disasters. Or so we think; there are holes.

Here's the source: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon

Also, if you don't mind your mind (ha, ha) being blown, you could check out http://imperial-library.info/ForumArchives/AmuletAmulet.html


Incidentally, peeps, what do you think the significance is in that Dagon begged Alduin 100,008 times not to curse him? Why that number? It just struck me, 'cause it was 1008 *years* in the dragon break, ya? Maybe I'm just seeing things here, but the similarity strikes me as curious.

I noticed that before and got curious, too. There's also 'the 8 and the 1' or something like that (referring to the 8 Aedra and 1 Talos to make up the 9 Divines). Haven't found a reason, though, other than perhaps MK just likes reusing numbers to troll us into thinking it means something (or maybe it's just a coincidence and we're trolling ourselves, like what happened when Skyrim's 11.11.11 date was announced). But then, I wouldn't doubt there's some well-hidden, obscure connection somewhere, either... it's been known to happen.

I'm pretty sure it's just a reference to buddhist culture. Fullmetal Alchemist had 108 chapters for the same reason.

From Wikipedia:

Ok, cool. I suppose that does have quite a bit of significance in TES.

Seems to fit Aldy to a T. One thing, a big ole dragon god, infinity, being Time itself, and nothing, being the end of all things.

Love this story, Especially the part we dagon keeps begging alduin to turn him back!This story goes hand in hand with the theory that dagon is trying to protect tamriel!

If Dagon wanted to protect Tamriel wouldn't have his best course of action been to not try to invade at all?


Since invading and failing was one of the requirements to summon Alduin had Dagon just chilled out Alduin would have never come.

The thing is that the Leaper Demon King was cursed. Dagon was acting on compulsion rather than choice as he had become an outside embodiment (Daedra) of destruction itself. He had no more choice in attempting to invade and destroy the world than I have in the consistency of my own heartbeat. Some of my actions effect it, but I can't simply will it to go x bpm on a whim.

To Candlejack: I think you're confusing "requirements for summoning" and "destined to happen before". We could, of course, argue back and forth about what the difference is, for which I blame Azura.

"requirements for summoning" and "destined to happen before" are not mutually exclusive.

In being destined to happen before they become requirements.



Though the ES are vague and what they foretell isn't set in stone until it happens.

Even if they are identical, what I said still stands: Dagon had no choice in the matter because he meddled in things beyond his power to control or understand. He destroys things with the same level of intent as I have when I make use of gravity on everyday walks.