I was playing around on the Imperial Library site and found this awesome... I don't even know what it was... I'll call it an interview with one of Jygolag's servants, and one of Sheogorath's servants and the one for Sheo said this after someone called Dagon Sheogorath's "un-brother"

"How typical. You mortals love to take a pebble of information and construct entire realms of conjecture upon it. Your lore of those disparate beings that you lump together as "daedra" is based on nothing -- lies and half-truths told by traitors, rebels, miscontents and weaklings who have had the misfortune to become involved with mortals. Or with Mehrunes Dagon. Do not speak his name to me again. The Master of Scum. The pawn of every Prince of true power, the dupe of every schemer in the Nineteen Voids. Do you think you know anything of the politics, factions, feuds, vendettas, wars of Oblivion? Do you think Oblivion such a simple place, that the tale of the loyalties of a great people such as the Mazken could be encompassed in a brief tale?"

Before because of Oblivion i thought Dagon was one of the more powerful Daedra, or the most powerful, but this says he is fooled and used by all Daedra of true power. Is Dagon really the other princes' b!+€h or is that just Haskill being loyal to Sheo and wanting his masters name to be above Dagon's?

You think the Princes would hold one another in high regard? If the question comes up, they'd probably all talk smack about each other for days on end and extol all their virtues on how they're the superior Prince. Excluding Sheo, if he could hold a thought for more than twenty seconds.

The princes dont like eachother all that well
EX:
-Dagon Invading their planes
-The chaining of Jyggylag
-Them having enemies in Daggerfall

I love that quote. (as seen in my Signature)

In "Varieties of Daedra", Divayth Fyr paints Dagon in a similar light, claiming he knows nothing and understands nothing.

Dagon got the crap end of the stick in general. As he is very blunt and direct, it does not fit his purpose to be particularly incisive and intelligent. Therefore, he is not.

But apparently Malacath isn't well liked either, according to Sheogorath dialog.

I'd say less than Dagon, especially considering his sphere. Let's not forget about Scourge, either.

Which fits his Realm perfectly

Sheo says that he isnt liked or talked to at the Daedra mixers.... ignored...spurned.... ostrisized.

He's the pariah of the parties
I laughed when Sheo was talking about it.

Now that I think about it the Dunmer worship a lot of daedric princes like Boethia, and Azura who I know hate Molag Bal, and I think they don't hate, but dislike Dagon and Malacath. And the Dunmer have that "four corners to the house of troubles" thing with Molag Bal, Malacath, Sheogorath, and (I believe) Dagon, so it would make sense that they would be the least liked Daedra, but if their all in the same boat then why would they dislike each other so much that Shoe smack talked Dagon, and made Malacath kill his own son, and I heard of 1 or 2 other big events such as those ones that I don't remember?

dagoth also wants to return to his original form too

The House of Troubles is a mortal construct, a theoretical grouping of elemental forces based on their interactions with the Dunmer people. Doesn't mean they actually have any common ground. You'd have as much luck getting a hurricane to play nicely with a volcano.

As for Dagon, all he cares about, all he CAN care about, is destruction and shows of brute force. His mind lacks subtlety, his plans lack nuance. His idea of a clever plot is to throw Dremora at a problem until the problem doesn't exist any more or he's out of Dremora. Playing him for a fool is easier than taking candy from a Bosmer. How can he possibly stand as an equal to the Prince of plots, or shadows, or even madness?

If the rumors of Mehrunes once being Magnus are to be believed, I'd say that Mehrunes and Malacath have more in common with each other than some would think. I've seen users alternate Trinimac and Magnus as Observer in the enantiomorph, and I do remember seeing someone suggest that the two could be connected. Not sure how though...

I like to equate the two as mal'ak Af and mal'ak Hemah, or the angels of Anger and Wrath respectively. Malacath is vengeful and easily angered, while Mehrunes is wrathful and prone to destruction. Af and Hemah are angels of both death and destruction in Hebrew lore, and both were chained and bound to the far ends of Heaven from which they may never stir. They are also charged with overseeing 7 divisions of Hell, and both are considered "unpleasant".

See the parallels? Malacath and Mehrunes were both condemned to Oblivion, and both are seen as "unpleasant" by mortals. Malacath was once associated with death through Orkey, while Mehrunes is associated with destruction.

where does it say he is the prince of brute force. Poison is a destructive substance and it can be very slow and subtle.

not to mention haskill's own quote:

Do you think you know anything of the politics, factions, feuds, vendettas, wars of Oblivion? Do you think Oblivion such a simple place, that the tale of the loyalties of a great people such as the Mazken could be encompassed in a brief tale?"

Is Destruction friends with Fate?

Are Madness and Domination not talking to each other?

Is Debauchery that creepy uncle who is never invited to family reunions but comes anyway?

Okay, he is. My point being, Daedric Princes are abstract concepts shaped into the images mortals can best interpret them, and that hasn't gone very smoothly. Look at Herma.
I don't think mortals can do a better job of understanding their politics. Oblivion is chaos, forces shift, powers change. That's the point of the Daedra's existence.

"Popular Daedric power. He is associated with natural dangers like fire, earthquakes, and floods. In some cultures, though, Dagon is merely a god of bloodshed and betrayal. He is an especially important deity in Morrowind, where he represents its near-inhospitable terrain." -Varieties of Faith in the Empire

"Mehrunes Dagon is the god of destruction. He is associated with natural dangers like fire, earthquakes, and floods. To some he represents the inhospitable land of Morrowind. He tests the Dunmer will to survive and persevere." -The House of Troubles

Do we associate natural disasters with intrigue and subtlety? Or do they rip apart, crush, and sweep away everything that stands in their way, leaving only rubble and broken lives in their wake? Mehrunes Dagon is about creating as much damage as possible on as wide a scale as possible. He's somewhere between the beach bully that stomps on everyone else's sand castles, and the tide that sweeps it all away at the end of the day.

I kind of feel like Dagon is that really cool guy that got in an accident that caused him brain damage and now he is just a erp-derp-bam-bam-aholic. A shadow of his former self that vaguely remembers his purpose. The remains of the past Kalpas.

I wonder what the Leaper Demon was like...

Back then, the Deadlands were really hopping.

Someone needs to pick up Dagon's Razor for a while to know he isn't all about brute force and running around like a loon. The Mythic Dawn, his cultists, were deep into strategy and planning, not running around like loons, stomping on every sand castle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNXxDLhGpO0

Hmmm...lots of earthquakes in the region I would imagine. That might explain the origin of all that lava...

Maybe the high Muckety-mucks scuttling around Arius, but those Sleepers were bleeding idiots.