Can anyone clarify what this paradox would be? I am slightly tired so I cant really understand at the moment...

Dagoth Ur enters Oblivion.
I cant see anything paradoxical with that? Perhaps just tired... But if there IS an paradox then we can be pretty sure that Dagoth cant get into Oblivion... Now... Can his lesser buddies to that? No idea.

Two god in one realm? Too much sheer power concentrated in one area. Like hooking up a car battery to your light bulb. :nuke:

Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Dagoth Ur were all gods at the same time? Vivec was also Chim. That is sheer power in its most ultimate form.

Jyggalag and Sheogorath were in the same realm at the same time as were Akatosh and Mehrunes Dagon.

Well... Aky was just an Avatar of himself... If that changes things... Perhaps Dagon was also just an Avatar of himself... If that changes things...

Not sure. It is possible.

I don't know. What proof i there that Nirn is actually a realm of Oblivion, other than the ravings of a madman? Personally, I don't think it is a realm. I may be wrong.

Jyggalag and Sheogorath where the same being.

Hm... Yeah... Perhaps. But I am still not seeing anythinng which says that Dagoth cant arrive in Oblivion personally...

I think ultimately he is as Vivec put it a "mad god" and so to an extent his motives are unknowable. He talks about freeing the Dunmer from Imperial oppression but yet he's also warping the Dunmer into something totally alien and bizarre with his own power. He is a Dunmer too, and maybe he thinks he's doing something good by getting his whole race united against their common enemy, but are the individual Dunmer really any better under him than they were under Imperial rule? I don't think there's really a clear cut answer, maybe just the individual preference of whether you, as a Dunmer, would rather be an Imperial lapdog or have a giant hole in your face and babble about music all day. It's certainly not possible to say if Dagoth Ur thought his ambitions were ultimately for his own gain or that of his race.

They were the same being, but not when the CoC faced Jyggalag.

He wasn't a "god" in the full sense of the word yet. He had to slowly obtain his powers. Didn't achieve godhood until after the game.

That is true, but the CoC was powerful enough to defeat Jyggalag.

Nerevarine defeated a god too, well 2-3 gods. World didnt' shatter under that.

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What? We're talking about gods being in the same plane of Oblivion, and debating Nirn's status as a plane of Oblivion.

Nirn isn't a Plane of Oblivion. It's a planet in Mundus, a seperate realm from Oblivion

Mankar Cameron said it was a plane of Oblivion. Lots of people believe him, some of us don't. Personally, I agree with you.

Even if it isn't a realm of Oblivion, why would gods or people of god-like power be able to appear in Mundus but cause a paradox and drastic repurcussions if in a realm of Oblivion?

Too much power in one realm, I believe. It's just a theory. Not too sure on it, myself.

Making the statement doesn't change anything. I can just say "a square-circle", but just because I can say it doesn't mean its possible.

I'm making the statement based on the assumption that Dagoth Ur would take over Nirn before attempting any move against Oblivion. At that point all of Nirn would be 'in his flesh and of his flesh' and they would all be part of his divine dreamworld, ie, his consciousness would reign supreme - essentially, Dagoth Ur would likely be Mundus just as much as Dagon is his realm, furthermore, Dagoth/Akulakhan corrupts everything he comes into contact with in order to make it part of himself. The question is whether its even possible for him to do this to a daedra, or in Oblivion. Ur connects things to the Heart, which is the Heart of Mundus, the Heart of Lorkhan - can a daedra be connected to the Heart of Mundus, an Aedra?

Essentially, Dagoth going into Oblivion would be forcing the Aedric upon the Daedric, both in realm and spirit - its like the hub/spokes of the wheel trying to become part of the spaces between them... of course like I said, its all just random theorizing, we don't know enough about the nature of the daedra and their realms to say for sure, nor do we really know enough about the nature Dagoth Ur would acquire by that point to say for sure - suffice to say, the figure you saw in Morrowind would be a spec compared to what Dagoth Ur would become.