Dagoth Ur , his mindset, intentions : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:49 pm

Well of course you don't silly, no archenemy worth his goatee is gonna come back right after he's been defeated - gotta have time to scheme, devise plans, and find a fluffy white cat to stroke (and you know that last one is gonna take a while in Tamriel).

Would a khajit work if it dyed itself?

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:43 pm

Would a khajit work if it dyed itself?

Would a Khajiit work if it was snowing?

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:52 pm

Would a Khajiit work if it was snowing?

If you had gloves :shrug:

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:35 am

If you had gloves :shrug:

Alas, Ur doesn't believe in gloves. Or pants. Or tops. Or shoes. Loin cloths and crazy masks will need to suffice.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:16 pm

He believes in robes, as the ascended sleepers wear them.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:28 pm

He believes in robes, as the ascended sleepers wear them.

Have you saw an ascended sleeper lately? Of course they wear robes, they're Ur's personal joke!

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:57 pm

Have you saw an ascended sleeper lately? Of course they wear robes, they're Ur's personal joke!

Nah, they're trumpet players! They can also lay down a sick solo.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:45 am

Nah, they're trumpet players! They can also lay down a sick solo.

*immediatly thinks of http://www.downthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/morrowind_days_by_snowskadi.jpg piece of perfect depiction of Morrowind lore*

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:46 pm

*immediatly thinks of http://www.downthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/morrowind_days_by_snowskadi.jpg piece of perfect depiction of Morrowind lore*

Looks like the one guy in the background is missing the mesh for his hat/helmet/face accessory/head.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:40 pm

You know, I can really relate to Ur's love of loin cloths and crazy masks...

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:34 pm

Cool, I got a lot of responses to this topic. Though no one responded to my post about him.
Also I voted for the last Option.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:51 am

One last important point,

In spite of most of us accepting that Dagoth could of viewed his actions as morally justified, he was possibly merely tricking the character in his final speech to take his power from him.

Getting him to give wraithgaurd over, ect.

Also the essence of Lorkhan's heart is supposed to be evil, and your supposed to act on evil in the game. That could just reflect the moral dualism of the game, but still it makes his supposed desires to help people, and his belief that he is actually enlightening people seem less genuine.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:53 am

Also the essence of Lorkhan's heart is supposed to be evil

Why would the heart of a guy who wasn't evil (except to the altmer, but they're full of [censored]) make people evil?

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:04 pm

One last important point,

In spite of most of us accepting that Dagoth could of viewed his actions as morally justified, he was possibly merely tricking the character in his final speech to take his power from him.

Getting him to give wraithgaurd over, ect.

Also the essence of Lorkhan's heart is supposed to be evil, and your supposed to act on evil in the game. That could just reflect the moral dualism of the game, but still it makes his supposed desires to help people, and his belief that he is actually enlightening people seem less genuine.

I don't think he was trying to trick you as he openly admits that he no longer has any desire to have you as a brother again, and that he just wants the tools from you

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:23 pm

In spite of most of us accepting that Dagoth could of viewed his actions as morally justified, he was possibly merely tricking the character in his final speech to take his power from him.

Dagoth Ur was planning on killing you either way and he was sure that he couldn't loose, so really, he has no reason to lie to you.

Also the essence of Lorkhan's heart is supposed to be evil, and your supposed to act on evil in the game.

Say wut'? There is no moral dualism in the game, that's why we're having this conversation. Where do you get that the Heart is supposed to be evil?

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:22 pm

My lore on Lorkhan is a tad rusty, but wasn't the reason he was "killed" because he created mundus? (Puts him in the good books of mortals)

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:42 pm

Puts him in the good books of mortals

Yes, but the bad books of immortals.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:44 pm

Yes, but the bad books of immortals.

In this, Lorkhan reminds me of Prometheus stealing fire for mankind and being punished for it by the gods. The difference being that Lorkhan was an equal of the other gods instead of their lesser.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:16 pm

Yes, but the bad books of immortals.

The immortals are bad, in themselves, for punishing the creation of life, don't you think? Mortals are also the only ones with a real sense of good and evil, imo.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:40 pm

The immortals are bad, in themselves, for punishing the creation of life, don't you think?

From this perspective they didn't punish him for the creation of life, they punished him for the creation of mortality. Of course, that's a generalization.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:00 am

Yes, but the bad books of immortals.

And altmer. But, THE MER MUST DIE!!!

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:01 pm

And altmer. But, THE MER MUST DIE!!!

How about the Ayleids? I doubt they were too happy with Pelinal, but did they have any clue of his connection to Lorkhan? Do the Dunmer and Bosmer despise Lorkhan, as well? The Khajiit?

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:26 am

All mer must die!

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:38 pm

Dagoth Ur was planning on killing you either way and he was sure that he couldn't loose, so really, he has no reason to lie to you.

Say wut'? There is no moral dualism in the game, that's why we're having this conversation. Where do you get that the Heart is supposed to be evil?

I've heard it somewhere...I don't remember, I think from Vivec or something. Supposedly Dagoth went along with the Heart's natural evil and that is why he was able to grow so powerful, whereas the tribunal resisted it, yet still drew power from the heart.

» Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:23 pm

nvm delete please.