Actually that's all the more reason for it to appear in Morrowind.

The intent here was to point out the written symbol in case it would fulfill the request - and to answer LucienFairfax's persistent inquiry. -_-

I really love westly's work. I wish my entire morrowind was in such a style

I'd call it MorroWestly.

That's not really any more reason for it to appear in morrowind. It is most definitely a scarab of some sort. The daedric O appears a lot in Oblivion, because the threat is coming from daedra, and the game is called Oblivion. It begins with the O. It was the symbol for the game, the icon, and because of that it became something that could easily be recognized as being daedric, and menacing. There's absolutely no connection between the sixth house and the daedric invasion of Oblivion. The only possible connection that I could even think of off hand isn't even really with the sixth house, but more with the destruction of the heart that makes the gods mortal. Don't remember where I saw it, but supposedly the daedra are supposed to once again walk the world when the false gods are slain.

I concur, very nice job on Dagoth Ur Westly :goodjob:

I am following your development with great interest!

Still missing the point - if a written symbol was needed, then the daedric O would be the best choice. The deadric alphabet existed in TES long before the game Oblivion. If a written symbol isn't what's needed, then it won't be used - simple as that.

I second this.

From what I've seen though, the only one saying anything about a written symbol is you. westly simply asked what the sixth house symbol is, and if you look at the picture, it looks nothing like a daedric letter of any kind. I'm aware the daedric alphabet was there before Oblivion, I'm just saying that the O being prominent in oblivion doesn't really have any connection, or reason that it should be connected, to the sixth house in Morrowind.

Thank god I'm here then.
I'll assume you mean the picture of the banner. Parts of written language can evolve and be derived from symbolic representations like that scarab - the daedric O looks like a simplified stylized scarab to me.


I bet if you thought really hard about it you could come up with a reason for it to be connected. That's your task for today. Are you up to the challenge?

Regardless, I am using the stylised scarab that appears on the banner
and on Dagoth Ur's Loincloth (on the original textures). I did not think that
my query would spark such a debate; no worries, enh?

Though, I must say, that when I think of the "O", I think Mehrunes Dagon
rather than House Dagoth (perhaps better represented, if it had to be
in the form of a Daedric letter, by the letter "D" ).

:twirl: & :bolt:

Looking good Westly.
Unfortunately this puts pressure on me to get this right.... (-.-)

I've fixed most of the issues, I might upload it soon, I'm just afraid it looks worse on a BB body. You could replace the bad animations with other ones.
Scaling the body doesn't work well due to the rigging on a BB mesh (the one thing they got wrong).
I might whip out 3ds max after this is done and just remake Ur completely... creature animation is what I'm best at anyways....

Edit: Actually, what am I saying?
I'm gonna have to go back on what I said about uploading it soon, I wont be working on anything in the next few days.
I'll try and pm you with a dl link on Friday.

Am I the only one who thinks Dagoth Ur's gold mask looks...dorky?

I think the original concept is dorky, so any revamp that sticks to that concept is going to look like dumb as well. Still, Westly's version is the biggest improvement I've ever seen

EDIT: I sounded really rude there Your work looks great, Westly, not calling it dumb at all.

I believe the original concept was great (and consistent with the game's theme) and Westly's rendition is amazing. Unless any of you two can do better, of course... Funny how some younger people find a golden mask "dorky" and "dumb", while Dagoth Ur dressed in a flashy red shirt is a great idea - this is Morrowind, guys, heads up! Not meaning to be rude either - just scolding yea a bit...

I like Dagoth's mask, though there's no doubt it could be a lot better, I like his mask in the original concept a lot better than the one in game, with the horns and stuff.
Then again, I like everything about the original dagoth ur concept art, I think if he was gonna look like a non-mutant, the same would have to be done to his servants, especially the ash vampires. And I think, though he's less bulky in the concept, he looks so much more intimidating. :shrug:

:blink: Attacking my first mod? Low blow, sir. As I've said in this very thread, though, I don't like nor use that mod myself anymore. I'm just not one to remove uploaded mods without due cause.

As I said (twice) in my post, I'm not trying to insult Westly. The quality of his work is top-notch as always, but the fact is that you can only do so much with a mask that looks like a frisbee with a picture of a http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/11/09/screen-chimp-acting.jpg painted on.

I like the concept of a gold mask, I just don't like the one they gave him, especially with how cool Almalexia's and Sotha Sil's are. For example, I like the mask that they gave http://www.mahalo.com/image:charon.2.jpg in God of War just fine, and I think it would look fine in Morrowind.

No worries, as I have another choice for the full face mask that I
have not yet shown; another option for the "choosy moms" out there
(that's a peanut-butter reference there as I am having a Thai salad with a
peanut-butter based dressing ATM *munches-crunches-digests ).

Back to lunch... :bolt:

To each its own. As for Charon's mask, that one's fine, as there are other hundreds of ceremonial/war/burial gold masks existing in museums and other places storing similary stolen loot... In my understanding, Westly wanted to stay close to the original - and personally I commend him for that. Of course, each forum member is entitled to his/her own opinion - as you are, or I - for as long as we don't turn it into a derrogatory attack.

However, I wasn't attacking your mod, not more than you were attacking yourself Westly's work... At least in intention - so you don't have to read that one, other than it was meant: if you like something (ie. the red shirt), then do not mud-pelt others' work (ie. Westly's golden mask, which is a rendition very true to the original design), as you might hurt others' feelings just as much as you'd hurt theirs... We should always pay attention to the things we say - even if this little discussion should be rather considered a lightweight friendly nudging... If I see something I don't like, I simply ignore it, or try to make something better - but will not say it's crap, just for the sake of sounding cool and/or funny.

But I'm not saying that anyone's work is crap! I'm not mud-pelting, or turning anything into a derogatory attack, and I'm certainly not trying to sound "cool and/or funny!" I don't like the original concept of Dagoth Ur. I think that Westly's work is good, it's certainly the best rendition of Dagoth's mask I've ever seen, I just don't like the original design! I hate the wideness, the roundness, those three little prongs, the tiny triangular eyes- I DON'T LIKE THE MASK. I don't mind that Westly is sticking to the original concept, that's his choice, and I'll certainly still download and play it because it's the best version out there, and fill the [RELz] thread with accolades and offers of firstborn children, but I will never be totally happy with that original concept. If that's so bad, then shoot me now.

:gun:
:D Don't get too hot on the topic, mate, I understand what you wanted to say - I just flipped at how you said it. There is a very thin border between criticism and arrogance, and one should be careful not to step over, even if by accident... Being polite is sometimes difficult to achieve, but will certainly bring you respect eventually.

We cool?

:meh: Fine.

Choosy mom? You better not be talkin about me....
*Begins to drag animation to the recycle bin*

I wouldn't worry about it too much, if anyone feels that strongly about it, then they'll just make their own version. (Which I'm fine with, anyone can step up and grab these anims when they're done.)

That's one of the reasons I'm watching this thread. Even if/when there are Dagoth Ur replacers available, I'd still love to attach these to my Voryn companion. Just the thought of him putting his hands on his hips and doing that laughing animation...*swoons*

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/Wesadam/Creatures/WAR_DGTHR_SCREEN1.jpg

I have a bit more to do, but wanted to show what is finished so far (I still want
to add a ring or two to his hands/claws and finish up the third helm option).
So far, I am satsfied with the overall look (though I might dirty up his hair a bit
more; though, one could argue that while he was waiting on the player character,
he had time to brush his hair [one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, three-one-thousand...])

By the gods.... Westly, you always do something incredible... and I need to reinstall Morrowind again