Other post just made me question..




So Danse the Synth is a duplicate replacement for the original Danse whom came from D.C ?



Because I remember him yapping about how he was orphan and how he lost his friend....


So Original Danse is dead? Possibly have turned into Super Mutant by Institute?

Anybody knows for sure? Thank you.

Danse was always a Synth. DNA confirmation after the BoS get their hands on the Institute data.


The BoS takes DNA samples of every new recruit they get. When they got the data, they did a cross-check, and found that Danse was a match.

so all the memory he has is fake..


and he was probably placed in rivet city purposefully by institute... or railroad?

Railroad I am guessing, since it seems most Institute synths are aware that they are Synths. Danse didn't know, so he was most likely a synth freed by the Railroad.

It's never really explained, but I feel more certain that his memories are, in fact, real (memories from a real individual), as opposed to artificially created (like someone writing a fictional novel).

If his memory is real... that means the original Danse the boy from the memory is now dead or completely out of the game.


I guess it is possible he was given new memory by Dr. Amari...


Hmm.. there are more to Danse then I originally thought haha

But then... if his memory is not real.. I think it might have been possible for BoS to figure out all the background information he provided is completely fake..


but he couldn`t have been boy synth that grew up because Sean is supposed to be first successful boy synth..




I guess his memory was most likely copied from original Danse... and we just don`t know where this original Danse is or what happend to him.



It`s almost impossible to figure out

it's an escaped synth that got a memory wipe by the railroad

if it ware an infiltrator then it would have been friendly if u sided with the institute

My guess is he was mortally wounded in an attack at some point, and the Institute found him, stuffed him into a synth replica body, then tweaked his memory of the near-death experience and dropped him back where they found him.

Either that or they straight-up body-snatched him. It's stated that Shaun synth will not age or grow up, so he could not have been a child synth, and since it's set at least 10 years after Fallout 3, and Harkness from Rivet City was a Gen 3 synth, that means they've been able to do that for at least 10 years.


However, the guy from the Commonwealth in F3 who comes looking for Harkness is not Shaun, since, for one, Shaun has never been outside the place until you meet him on the roof, so he's either a rep or he's the previous Father who left Shaun in charge.

There's just too much left unexplained. I've been through tons of dialog - save and reload and pick different options - and you just cannot get a straight answer about anything out of anyone.

Zimmer, in FO3, who was looking for Harkness is/was the head of SRB. If you talk to Ayo while you're meeting everyone, Ayo says he's the acting director, or something. You can then ask who he's filling in for and he'll say Zimmer.

Wow.. I totally forgot about that quest from Fallout3


Things at least make more sense now

Zimmer, yeah. I knew that name sounded familiar.

The institute doesn't know him exist. ALL the synths from the Institute know their purpose, and the Institute keeps track of them all. There is absolutely no reason why they release a synth they have no control over and the synth doesn't know their own purpose down in the Commonwealth. Plus, Rivet City is a place where the RR commonly dumps their synths. Plus, talk to Danse, he said that they don't bother giving him any good memories, no families, nothing, so his memories are artificial. Plus, his memory is very basic, he's basically an orphan growing up before moving to Rivet City. It's so basic that it's more like a makeup memory on the spot than anything. Danse has never existed.

So he is probably one of first gen3 synth.. that was freed by railroad and received fake memory..


simple but nice..


can`t believe he didn`t know for many years that he is different from other people haha

Well, the institute must have some sort of records of him, even if it's just a Database entry, seeing as how BoS only found out that Danse was a synth via the data the Sole Survivor intercepts.

If it was true he was rescued by Railroad, I just wish that at least Deacon has something to say to him regarding to this matter upon switching.

They're comparing DNA, the Institute has records on the synths, and the BoS obtains those records and comparing it with their soldier's DNA. The Institute doesn't have a "Danse" on their record, but instead use his factory name. That's the only record they have, the record before he was kidnapped by the railroad.

The Railroad kidnapped too many synths, I don't think they could possibly remember, also we don't know who kidnap Danse and who does the releasing, remember that it would be more than 3 years at least when he was kidnapped. I think it would be around 6 years in total if we take into account everything from selling scraps, Maxson's statement about Danse being a longtime soldier being becoming a Paladin, and the 3 years Brandis was missing which he knows Danse.

Brilliant work by the Railroad ain't it? Bunch of inept SOBs, Just an example of how something they think is so harmless like injecting synths into unaware society has far reaching consequences (IE Danse joining the BoS, devoting his life to it, being found out and either exiled or killed for it)

I've wondered the same thing. My guess is that Danse was a real person and lived the life that he talks about throughout the game, including a real Danse joining the Brotherhood. The Institute would obviously have a vested interest in infiltrating the Brotherhood of Steel, so it seems most logical to me that they abducted Danse at some point, implanted his memories into a synth replica, and sent him back to the BOS.

The fact that other synth replacements know what their duties are is a valid point, but it's possible that they could have put some kind of failsafe in him. If he was discovered, this failsafe could trigger, resulting in a reaction that he didn't know he was a synth. This would make for a greater likelihood (though obviously not a certainty) of him being allowed to remain in the Brotherhood.

The Institute doesn't know about him, X6 himself said that he has absolutely no idea that Danse is a synth. Being in the BoS would be a big deal, so it would be impossible for X6 who works on the surface with other informants and directly with the SS who works with the BoS to not know that. Danse himself never even realizes it. Such a failsafe is never heard of. Danse being an Institute spy would not be correct because if his identity is not revealed, he would fight and die alongside the BoS and said Ad Victorium when killed. The chance of him being an Institute synth is very low. If there's Danse, his story wouldn't be so vague and basic. He's a kidnapped synth, not an Institute synth.