up until the final main db quest trying not to spoil anything i felt right in killing most people except the orcs weirdly in this ive seen more good orcs lol but if u going to go overall they r bad but i think as a family they were good each had a valid and good reason 4 being there i voted good on both because the worlds need killers think of it like a military mindset u go after terrorist with entire army or u shoot them with a missile the brotherhood are missiles of their day or black op pmcs ( i apologise if it offends anybody but u asked 4 opinion )

I don't think the Dark Brotherhood ritual requires a human sacrifice, just a parts from a dead person. They could be taken from any old corpse.

Considering one of the DB members was hired to kill a six-year-old at her birthday party, I think everyone guilty of breathing would have to worry.

cant really speak on this but the sheer number of people performing the black sacrament on a normal basis cant be good what goes into find the ritual items? imagine people doing that now youd have people going to jail left and right for murder or grave robbing :intergalactic:

I would rather think the Morag Tong would be more acceptable in our world.

neither good nor bad that is a really narrow view of things. Who is to assign these ideas of good or bad to an action? thieves are commonly known as bad in society, but is a child whom steals bread bad or the monarchs that caused the child to have no food in the first place? The ultimate role of the dark brotherhood is replaying the actions of lorkhan (the embodiment of sithis) towards the aedra and can never be a reality in our world. In short their murders are decisions based on their mortal role, given by the night mother and the eternal will of Sithis.

In our world, we probably have similar organizations already.

After reading the lore related to them in ES, I believe they are a necessary evil in Tamriel.

They are bad people. They admit they are bad people. They aren't ashamed of it, it's what they are good at, so they do it. Doesn't mean it's okay, but it's better then being a psychopath with no reason behind it.

There really is no objective stand point for morality in The Elderscrolls universe. Morality, for the inhabitants of Nirn, is entirely subjective.

Being part of a wacky cult doesn't make murdering six-year-olds for fun and profit anywhere near a grey area.

No its not good ...um bajezus your the reason parents get upset with video games lol . Murder is evil .pretty sure its a sin ... lol

It's a good thing that I can wipe them off Tamriel in this game. My only regret is the kid escaping, I'd like to go all Rail Tracer style on her as in Baccano!

i dont ever remember killing children in the dark brotherhood...in fact in most cases it was the children doing the killing (points as babette)
can't even kill kids in any ES game that i know of..

and murder as evil depends on how you define it as well as the purpose it serves.
IMO hitler was evil, if he were murdered, then the one who murdered him is not.

Why am I thinking that this is coming from a bunch of kids wanting to replay the DB in real...

Bad... BAD!

Even if it’s good or bad they all usually

But the person calling the dark brotherhood usually has a reason for the killing like they killed there brother or something along those lines but if there is a stupid reason then no it is not justified.
At lest they used to have 5 tenants but now they have none and dropped all that

But the Morag Tong do it legally and is that justified

One of the DB members laughingly recalls the funny one-liner he said when he killed a little girl at her birthday party. Regardless of how devout they are, DB members will kill anyone as long as they're payed, and most of them will enjoy it. The Dark Brotherhood is more evil than Hitler. Hitler was just a moderately evil person who was in the right place in the right time.

I edited the poll and deleted posts referring to real life assassins. Let's stick with the morals (or no morals) of the DB as they exist in the game.

No, we kill by the Night Mother's word, from a call for help from her children. We do not kill for coin, we do not ask questions. We are the blade in the night, justice is blind.

So you can't say they're evil, more like a necessary evil.

Even if people who killed absolutely anybody for any reason as long as you payed them were a necessary evil, I'm sure they' be easily replaced by a group that does need human body parts an an elaborate ritual to hire. And how long must that kid have been praying for everyone in Skyrim to hear about it? And then someone shows up and does it before you can?

morag tong killed for coin

dark brother hood killed for worship , coin , and for fun

they are the cream in the oreo they are the weapon being weilded by the one who contracts them each brother or sister may be insane/evil/money hungry but each brother and sister are bound by their contracts whos targets may be a greater evil or a greater good example killing grelod a greater benefit to the orphans , killing the old lady of the draconis family a pointless slaying by a madman who wanted their whole family dead :intergalactic:

they threatened to lock it didnt they lol

Well, if you kill anyone, including bandits, you've become a judge and figure that you've got the right to kill them. DB has no qualms about what it does, it is an ends to a means.

Most of the targets have good enough reasons that they should be killed. There was that one guy in Oblivion that was mostly just a [censored], but the vast majority are terrible human beings that will leave the world a better place with something stuck in their bellies. Whether that's a knife, a vial of poison, or an arrow is up to the player.

However, I suspect this was done so players that like to maintain some sense of integrity (like me) don't feel they have to choose between playing a completely evil character or skipping the faction quests entirely.

If I had to assess from a philosophical or ethical standpoint at any level, I would say that the Dark Brotherhood is amoral, or immoral, or both, through and through. It's not like Assassin's Creed where assassins supposedly kill in order to "protect the world." The Dark Brotherhood, regardless of its religious overtones and tenets, is a group of professional hitmen, nothing more, nothing less. They kill for money, and without any discernible purpose besides service to Sithis, it's impossible to even begin arguing about "good" or "bad" in the philosophical sense.

Judging from the quest lines in Oblivion and the sorry state Skyrim is in though, I'd say that at the very least, most of what the Dark Brotherhood does isn't that bad in terms of affecting the political landscape. Excepting of course...that one very, very important figure that you have to kill. I haven't gotten to that quest personally yet, so I can't comment.

I preferred it in Oblivion because you could pretty much talk to the "victim" and find out his story as he blathers on trying to save his skin and know that what they did was wrong. In Skyrim, it's not the same in some circumstances (others you find out are not nice people). I would feel guilty doing the DB and then joining the companions. My characters are either bad or good, bad thieves guild and DB or good companions. DB is bad. Thieves guild is bad even though you're not killing but the armor you get is schmazzy.

There were a few who didn't deserve to be killed in Oblivion though, which kind of cancels out all the good from killing the bad guys.

That's still a far cry from killing absolutely anyone. There's many shades of gray with the morality of killing, and the DB is near the very darkest end.

Your poll and your thread title are at odds.

Good/Bad and Correct/Not Correct are not the same concepts.

I think the DB are bad, but correct!