Dark Brotherhood, good or bad? Please give your reason why. : V

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:51 am

My friend and I have been discussing this, please answer the question with your FULL opinion about the DB. Please refrain from thinking they are good because you think playing as an Assassin is fun. That is not a reason, I want you to be completely humane here. Also please don't flame each other because of each other's opinions.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:35 am

Define good. Good as in like..great, or cool, or something. Or good as in the opposite of evil? >_>

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:54 pm

Define good. Good as in like..great, or cool, or something. Or good as in the opposite of evil? >_>

Yes, good as in the opposite of evil. I'll modify the poll to make it more clear.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:45 am

They kill for money...... so, bad.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:30 am

They kill people in the service of an evil god (Sithis). I'd say they were bad.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:23 pm

Bad, they'll kill anyone for money :/

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:33 pm

Lol. They're assassins. Assassination can never be good, unless in the time of war and even then it's disputable.
How exactly can murder be ever described as "good"?

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:30 pm

They kill for money and send the soul of the person they kill to serve an evil god of some kind for eternity...right.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:01 am

Contracting to murder innocent people for money and cultist reasons.

Think I'll choose the "not good" options.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:14 pm

Lol. They're assassins. Assassination can never be good, unless in the time of war and even then it's disputable.
How exactly can murder be ever described as "good"?

If someone had assassinated Hitler it woulda been a good thing no?

Generaly its a no for both, though there have been a few cases where its been good, or atleast acceptable.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:59 am

Thanks for your opinion's.. Now time to rub it in my friends face and probably send him to an Insane Asylum.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:12 am

I'm not answering the poll, but I think that DB and Thieves' Guild are both character-breaking evil. Just trying these out drove my first character from chaotic pragmatist to out-and-out bad guy. At least with previous ES games you could sort of roleplay yourself out of being evil.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:47 am

can you universalise murdering for profit? no. So they are probably bad.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:50 am

they are a dark shade of grey

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:19 pm

well in cyrodill most of the people you had to kill were evil in some way (first was a rapist, second was a pirate, then a warlord right? most of them continue on that path) but i dont know about skyrim (have not did any searching into it, other than political assasination, which could be good or bad but i dont know a lot abotu the client)

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:39 am

Contracting to murder innocent people for money and cultist reasons.

Think I'll choose the "not good" options.

Pretty much how I would answer.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:36 am

I can easily think of countless situations where not killing would be evil....

The question was not whether killing is evil.

The question was whether the Dark Brotherhood was good or evil. The Dark Brotherhood does not care whether who they kill is good or evil or why. For the sake of argument, hypothetically there may be justified kills. But in general they also kill innocents.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:00 am

We kill for coin.

Sincerely,
Dark Brotherhood Member.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:00 am

They're respectable enough with each other, but many of the jobs they do are terrible,

Spoiler

Killing a woman at her own wedding and all

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:57 am

I know its probally a bad thing to say but...
I would join them if they were in the real world, mainly because i have a hatred and no emotional connection to the human race anyway,
and they pay well :foodndrink:

:o

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:40 pm

There is literally no reason to be a Dark Brotherhood member other than being a psychopath.
They kill for fun more than they even kill for profit.
They are a cult that literally worship the spirit of raw destruction of the universe.
They could not possibly be more cartoonishly evil, and there is no reason other than pure insanity to join their ranks.

I actually seriously dislike the inclusion of the Dark Brotherhood in the game for the simple fact that their motives are so unrelatable that I can't even play their quests. I just read the spoilers, facepalm, and move on.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:04 am

Noooo...

Murder is never justified unless the target is a heartless murderer. And I don't think that's the point of the Dark Brotherhood.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:19 pm

I know its probally a bad thing to say but...
I would join them if they were in the real world, mainly because i have a hatred and no emotional connection to the human race anyway,
and they pay well :foodndrink:

Can you please give me your address? I need to call the asylum.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:17 pm

Can you please give me your address? I need to call the asylum.

well someone had to say yes lol
but thanks for the offer :teehee:

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:01 am

I see that we either have quite a few extremely disturbed individuals in these forums, or quite a large number of them are giving "ironic" answers to this poll.

The Dark Brotherhood was quite clearly invented just to give players the option to be as completely evil as the game would let them (I mean, in Oblivion, they decorate with dead babies), and everything they do is definitionally evil.

In fact, let me just quote from the wiki some things, which are obvious spoilers from the Oblivion DB questline:

Spoiler

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Night_Mother

After slaying Bellamont, The Dark Mother will approach you and initiate conversation "So, at last we meet. I have been following your strange journey through the Dark Brotherhood, young one. Your killing of the old man, Baenlin... the execution of Adamus Phillida... the way you stalked and murdered each member of the Draconis family... Your Purification of the Cheydinhal Sanctuary. You, a mere underling, even managed to single-handedly eliminate half of my Black Hand!".

You then have three options to respond.

One is to say nothing, which says nothing about your character.

One is to say you did it all in service to the Black Hand, which in turn means Sithis, which is a spirit of pure destruction. That means your character motivation is that you literally want to destroy all of creation. In short, a total nihilistic omnicidal maniac.

The third, however, is probably most revealing:
"Ha! I reveled in their slaughter!"
"So you did, my child. So you did! Ha ha ha ha ha! You obeyed your orders and showed no mercy or remorse. How could I ask for a better servant? If only my other children had served me so well! You see, I have known of Mathieu Bellamont's intentions since he was just a boy. I knew of his thirst for vengeance. I could have informed my Listener. But I refused! Refused to reward such incompetence! Ungolim was weak. Indeed, I allowed Mathieu Bellamont to proceed on his destructive course. Just as I allowed you to intercept him."

Or, in other words, it makes absolutely no difference who you kill to your character when you are in the Dark Brotherhood. You could literally have been sent off by Sheogorath to murder everyone simply for having a name starting with the letter "D" for all your character knew. They could have just pulled names out of a hat to kill completely at random. Didn't matter, your character obviously didn't care, they just kill for either money or the joy of inflicting pain and suffering on others.