i'm kind of disappointed with the dark brotherhood questline. I am playing a generally nuetral to good character. I would do just about anything but for the most part would need a good reason. I wanted to do the DB questline and join to become some sort of "good guy" assassin. helping out those who were wronged sort of thing.

It started out that way when i went to kill the woman at the orphanage, it turns out she was abusing the children, so that fit perfect. But it seems like after that all the MQ missions and the side kills are just killing people cause you are told to or paid to. Not because the targets did something wrong or aweful to anyone

I wish they had made it so there would be some way to go down this line in the brotherhood without being just a cold hearted killed. Like i said, my character isn;t some sort of saint, far from it, but she would just kill someone to kill someone.

svcks cause i really want to marry Miuri but this is the only way to do it.

What are your thoughts on the way they made this questline???

I suggest starting a new character to play as an assassin then. There is no real way to justify killing people just because someone doesn't like them and wants them dead.

Or, if you are on the PC you can use the console to raise Miuri's disposition without doing the quest and she'll marry you.

Well, i think killing the woman in the orphanage is somewhat "justified'. She was abusing children. So it was a bit more that someone not liking her. so i think there is a way to add some sort of justification or reason to the storylines so you are not just an evil assassin taking out anyone for anyone that will dole out the coin.

What I did was try every way possible to turn in the mean woman and let the other, seemingly nice, woman take over. No way to find that option, so I killed her. Then I took the option to take the quests to clear out the whole DB (which was painfully easy). Course you wouldn't be able to unlock the marriage that way. But the more I think about it, do I really want to marry someone that will try to have me killed if I tick her off...

Well, sorry, buddy, but morality is not a concern of the Dark Brotherhood. They don't judge, they just fulfill the requests of the people.

I like the way they made the questline. It's terribly boring if every questline in the game can be done by a "good guy" character. "Good guy" characters are dull. You need a chance to be genuinely bad.

If you're looking to limit yourself morally, the Dark Brotherhood is not for you, nor should you be expecting to do everything in the game with such a limitation.

The Dark Brotherhood is good! They kill for others who can't kill for themselves. Most of them would probably do it for free too, but you gotta pay the bills.

You actually would consider a hired murderer a good guy? How can a good guy go around and murder people he never saw for a sack of gold? Let alone the big games at the end of the quest line?

Though to play a genuinely bad character makes no sense in the grand scheme of the game. Why would a generally bad, or if say we talk D&D alignments, Chaotic Evil or even Chaotic Neutral for that matter, go through a long drawn out quest line to save the world?

Can you imagine the water bill for that pool in the middle of the sanctum?!

Gee I don't know, maybe because he doesn't want to be eaten by dragons?

Define "Bad" and "Evil" for me.

People do things for reasons, even bad people. Bad people have plenty of reasons to oppose Alduin or Dagon or Daggoth Ur or any other TES badguys.

No, the DB is not a "good" organization. To even contact them, a human heart and human flesh is needed for the rite. They don't inquire into motives- you're a contract killer, not the Dexter of Tamriel.

Though on my own assassin run, I didn't take Muiri's "optional" contract. So I guess an assassin can have some scruples, but it really doesn't pay to.

As for why a "bad" character would go through a save the world quest- in the hope of gaining power and fortune, and because it doesn't do them any good to have the world eaten by a dragon. Sometimes civic interest coincides with self interest.

The Dexter of Tamriel is exactly what i was going for!!!! Thats it!!!

I guess i will have to reload an older save and find another good looking NPC to marry...there arent a lot in this game tho

But i also find it interesting that all other character classes you have an option to play as relatively "good" or "bad" but you can't choose the assassin class character and be "good" (Dexter of Tamriel). you would have to avoid the entire group questline designed to help build your assassin character if you chose to role play that.

Perhaps you needn't worry about good vs. evil. Just think of it in terms of mercenary work. A good mercenary doesn't question why he has to raid a certain village - he assumes his employers have good reasons. If you are joining the Dark Brotherhood, you are being a 'soldier for the cause'. The cause is the elimination of 'bad' people. A person wouldn't go through all the trouble of performing the Dark Sacrament if they weren't terribly wronged in some way. Yeah, a 'good' character can certainly join the Dark Brotherhood. Just not a NOSY 'good' character!

Prob because if the world ends he dies too?
In the grand scale of things its kinda hard to steal or kill people if there is no one to steal or kill from.

Well i actually just started this questline after killing the orphan mother and somehow getting abducted by them in my sleep. But right now i'm strapped to a chair, and forced to kill one of 3 random people i dont know.
My main character is a "good guy" in the loose sense, like you. I will kill if their is a reason, or if i feel like i should. But i'm not sure if i should roll with the darkbrotherhood. My alt character IS going to be bad, and i had planned for her to join the theives guild and the college of (sorry i cant remember X( ) The "The magic guild". But i didnt even consider the darkbrotherhood. Whether or not i should join.

In the end, is magic users in the darkbrotherhood? If im the only mage there i think i wont role with it.

If you want to be the Dexter of Tamriel, then kill off the Dark Brotherhood yourself. An assassin of assassins.

i completely agree - senseless killing is silly. second - these are contracts made by people, verified by nobody. this means that i should be able to outright lie to astrid or nazeem about fulfilling contracts. it'd be nice if you could give your marks 1000 gold and tell them 'you need to disappear from this country forever'. there's no dark mother to verify all events concerning the db.

one way to look at the db line as a good character is to kill a few to save many. you kill some innocent people, but then you kill these murderers once you've gained their trust. if you stop the murderers, you can discontinue the existence of the db, saving much more than whatever it cost to get in. at least, this worked in oblivion. now you have the option to kill them from the start, so the argument doesn't work as well. however, you could argue that in order to ensure you know Everyone in the organization, you have to join it. wiping out the current occupants does not guarantee that you eliminate the db, babette being case in point. she seems to be absent if you assault the organization initially, implying she's out on a mission.

The DB is not supposed to be good.

There are mages in the Dark Brotherhood. They even have a Dark Brotherhood Robe, hood, shoes and gloves for you.

You can also kill Astrid in the house instead of those 3 captives. That way you can kill off the Dark Brotherhood and stuff.

IF you're going to good-guy the DB line, you may want to create a character that is Stormcloak. IF you take the DB plotline from the perspective of an angry Nord who wants' all these foreigners to stop defiling their lands and forcing their beliefs and government on them... it makes the good guy angle a bit easier to maintain.

Well, I think i may reload a save, kill Astrid, and go on to the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest. (and give up on marrying Miuri )

Has anyone done that quest path? Is it any good? Any good loot?

Killing the DB is kind of a letdown in terms of plot and rewards, but definitely the other good guy options.

I agree. The person who hires the DB has "good" reasons.

Dark Brotherhood is neutral guild, actually.
They kill - sometimes they kill good people, sometimes they kill bad people.
If you can't accept that, then DB is not a guild for you.
This sort of complaint is similar to that where some dude complained how he hates being forced to worship the Night Mother and Sithis when he joins DB.
What's next, people will complain about having to perform assassinations in DB too? >_>

Also, your only reason to kill someone is to fulfill the contract.
Why someone wants someone dead is non of your business.
If you get lucky to find that out, then good for you.
If you don't, you have no right to complain about it.
That's the way DB is.

I killed the woman at the orphanage without knowing about the quest and broke the game. I'm going to destroy the dark brotherhood. I have no need for their loot... I have 25 alchemy potions with a sell value of 2000 each on my character right now with legendary enchanted daedric and 2 dremoras also.. what do I need them for. They must die....... die......