Not really. When they Dunmer were still the Chimer (i.e. when they still followed Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura) the lessons their gods taught them did nothing short of keeping them alive. The real reason they got screwed over is because of The Tribunal, if the Tribunal never existed, neither would Dagoth Ur or the need for the Nerevarine. I suppose the blame for The Red Year really falls on Vivec more than Amalexia or Sotha Sil.

I don't think it's so much that the Dunmer worshipped cruelty, so much as that they believed in fully acknowledging the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_%28psychology%29 of their lives.

From that perspective, a Dunmer might find it unsettling that outlanders, particularly Cyrodiils, deny their shadows. It's certainly not that outlanders don't lust, plot, or inflict cruelty -- the fact that they don't fully admit to themselves what they're thinking and doing makes them less mature, and perhaps less trustworthy.

He called a few too many people n'wahs.

Did anyone else think Rolf Stone-Fist looked exactly like http://www.movievillains.com/images/butcher.jpg.

Barely functional? No. Lives under a rock? Yes.

Well, lives under a rock if you make the dragonborn that way. Though, I will say there were some dialog I wish I could have skipped, because I knew of it already and should have been with a bunch of characters I had.

I really do wish bethesda gave the option for the Dragonborn to have "informed" topic choices, where your character gives the exposition speech to the other guy. Maybe make it based on race. (Nords know nord stuff, Dunmer know dunmer stuff, etc.)

I remember in Morrowind, Saxhleel had an easy way through a slave quest, as the "guide's" name would have been autotranslated in the journal/choices for Saxhleel players.

Ah yeah, the quest in Suran right? Never played an argonian, but that's a really nice touch. I wonder if Skyrim has anything like that.

It was, and it was fun. Love the journal dialog too.
Although Daric Bielle would never know it, being both a Breton and a drunkard, Hides His Eyes translates very nearly to Haj-Ei, the name of the guide he's been paying the last few weeks. These softskins will never understand.

It was the little touches like this that I loved about Morrowind. It's good to be a Saxhleel. Also, having an intelligence of 90 or higher also worked, but it sounded quite nerdy.

Guys lets make one thing clear.helseth was the right pick for king of morrowind.i respected him.even after all the assassination attempts he apologized.but he made the right choices. as far as argonians invading morrowind I still say the Dunmer don't deserve it. not after all that.no race does period

Except they totally did. What goes around comes around.

And for Helseth - The reason he "apologized" was because he was standing RIGHT IN FRONT of a guy who's demonstrated the ability to survive numerous attempts on his life by the best assassins in the world, and likely killed a god by this point. Furthermore, he lacked the invincibility of other asses such as the much later Maven Black-Briar.

I doubt the invasion was a retaliation for the slavery. It was more likely the hist taking vengeance for the dunmer's mistreatment of the trees themselves. Or just the hist being dikes.

Yes. An entire people can deserve punishment. Most Dunmer didn't own slaves, if only because they couldn't afford one. Their Temple took care of the poor, and the Temple of the Nine doesn't. Let's wipe out Cyrodiil, too, because their Emperor tried to sacrifice Hammerfell to the Dominion.

Most genocides occur because people think an entire race/religion/ethnic group "deserves" it. Except it doesn't work that way.

The Dunmer outside of Morrowind didn't suffer at all. Only those that supported and swore fealty to the culture and government that sponsored the Argonian oppression did. There's a reason War exists in the first place.

Also - Tribunal and traditional dunmer worshiped the gods of treachery and backstabbing - they're fools to expect anything OTHER than treachery and backstabbing for their actions.

Also - the Empire didn't "Sacrifice Hammerfell to the Dominion" - In an attempt to avert a bloody war, they ceded land to the Dominion in exchange for peace. By your logic, it doesn't matter if the Redguards were part of the Empire or Dominion, because the overlording culture doesn't matter to the people.

You mean only those that swore fealty to the government that ended Argonian oppression were harmed.

Did it really end Argonian Oppression? The way I see it, it was more an act of cowardice. Besides - if the Dunmer don't want to be stabbed in the back, they need to find better God-Ancestors than the gods of Stabbing Your Worshipers in the Back.

It doesn't matter. It's still a genocide. People of the same race not living there doesn't make it any less of a genocide. I guess if you born in Morrowind, you're born evil or somethig, because the Dunmer deserved it. I guess you include children in there too. What about the Twin Lamps? Or the civilians (99%) that weren't really involved in slavery beyond living in the same province?

And Azura led her followers away from Morrowind before the Red Year, though many went insane from the constant vision. The Tribunal took care of their poor, which shows they aren't the "lolz be evil" religion people pretend they are. Most of the darker sides of the Tribunal weren't the prime focus.

And does it say the Argonians killed all the Dunmer? Or merely that they invaded Morrowind?

At the very least, they chased Sul for a long time. IIRC, from the crater that was Vivec City to a mountain range. That shows they are really, really hostile. And Dunmer were also forced to seek refuge in Skyrim and Solsthiem. They wouldn't do that if they could just move south into Argonain ruled terrirory.

Because Black Marsh was at war with Morrowind. 3000-4000 years of constant and harsh treatment, and this was their opportunity to show the dunmer to never [censored] with Black Marsh. Yes, they were devistating to the dunmer, but the fact that dunmer are now settling back in Morrowind means the Saxhleeel did what they wanted and are done.

And do not forget this, Brand-Shei in Riften was found as a baby by a Saxhleel, and raised by Saxhleel. Goes to show that the goal of the Saxhleel wasn't utter obliteration, even against huge slave owning houses like the Telvanni. If it was, Brand-Shei would have been splattered against the pavement when his adoptive Saxhleel father found him.

I won't deny that the war against Morrowind from Black Marsh wasn't pretty, but to say genocide against the dunmer was the reason is completely incorrect.

Was that Dunmer born around the Red Year?

Regradless, I don't think an entire nations can deserve punishment.

History disagrees with that viewpoint.

Does it? I thought it resulted in situations like World War II.

It's more remarkable for ending that situation.

Edit: I'm too tired to really argue about real life stuff right now, so never mind.