Dawnfang

Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:58 pm

Something just hit me,

Perhaps Dawnfang is connected, somehow, to Azura? After all, Dawnfang is powered by the cycle of Dawn and Dusk, and Azura has controll over said cycle. I know that Dawnfang is supposed to be an Ayleid sword, but maybe it has something to do with Azura? Perhaps it is another one of her artifacts - after all, we know that Daedric lords can have more than one artifact. (Sheogorath has the Wabbajack, the Fork of Horripilation, and the Staff of the Everscamp, for example, and Nocturnal has the Skeleton Key and the Grey Cowl.)
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:23 am

There was a thread about his about six months ago: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=709066&hl=

If I remember correctly they never reach a conclusion.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:33 am

Something just hit me,

Perhaps Dawnfang is connected, somehow, to Azura? After all, Dawnfang is powered by the cycle of Dawn and Dusk, and Azura has controll over said cycle. I know that Dawnfang is supposed to be an Ayleid sword, but maybe it has something to do with Azura? Perhaps it is another one of her artifacts - after all, we know that Daedric lords can have more than one artifact. (Sheogorath has the Wabbajack, the Fork of Horripilation, and the Staff of the Everscamp, for example, and Nocturnal has the Skeleton Key and the Grey Cowl.)


It's not Ayleid. It's Akaviri. And the reason it's called Dawnfang/Duskfang has nothing to do with Azura. The guy who found it just named it after it's powers. As for whether or not Azura had something to to with said powers or the creation of the sword I have no idea.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:11 am

I know that the guy named it after its powers. The powers itself is what makes me think it's Azura-related.

And the guy explictly states in his diary that it's Ayleid.
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Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:08 pm

I know that the guy named it after its powers. The powers itself is what makes me think it's Azura-related.

And the guy explictly states in his diary that it's Ayleid.


Found it in an Ayleid ruin. But it ain't Ayleid. It's Akaviri. In fact it's Tsaesci, and the powers might be as well, although that is an assumption.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:28 am

I might be a coincidence, but true coincidences in the TES universe are rare.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:20 am

I might be a coincidence, but true coincidences in the TES universe are rare.


I'm actually pretty sure the sword has nothing to do with Azura. Unless Azura has some bond to the Tsaesci.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:40 am

I'm actually pretty sure the sword has nothing to do with Azura. Unless Azura has some bond to the Tsaesci.


Who said she doesn't?
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Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:55 pm

I'm actually pretty sure the sword has nothing to do with Azura. Unless Azura has some bond to the Tsaesci.


The chances of that are higher than not. It stands to reason that if some beings on Akavir imitate Akatosh, then others would also worship or imitate the Daedra... somehow their is a common thread of mythology and religion with the main continent on Akavir.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:53 am

The chances of that are higher than not. It stands to reason that if some beings on Akavir imitate Akatosh, then others would also worship or imitate the Daedra... somehow their is a common thread of mythology and religion with the main continent on Akavir.


True.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:02 am

Found it in an Ayleid ruin. But it ain't Ayleid. It's Akaviri. In fact it's Tsaesci, and the powers might be as well, although that is an assumption.

This is very interesting; an Akaviri artifact in an Ayleid ruin. I wonder what the connection between them was.
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Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:49 pm

This is very interesting; an Akaviri artifact in an Ayleid ruin. I wonder what the connection between them was.

A good sword is always a good sword.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:45 am

This is very interesting; an Akaviri artifact in an Ayleid ruin. I wonder what the connection between them was.


http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/se03grommoksjournal.shtml

Why don't you concoct a theory? :)
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Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:03 pm

The chances of that are higher than not. It stands to reason that if some beings on Akavir imitate Akatosh, then others would also worship or imitate the Daedra... somehow their is a common thread of mythology and religion with the main continent on Akavir.


Tsaeci religion.[post="http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml"]No Azura[/post]

The origins of Dawnfang are unknown and will remain so.

Edit: Forgot link.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:01 am

Both Boethiah and Mephala have artifacts in the form of Akaviri weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if Azura also has some sort of connection to the Akaviri as well.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:17 am

Both Boethiah and Mephala have artifacts in the form of Akaviri weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if Azura also has some sort of connection to the Akaviri as well.

Exactly. It's not like the spheres of the Daedra only exists on Tamriel's side of the planet. They might not be known under the same name, or the same appearance, but they would still be there, as well as the Aedra.

And is it just me, or does saxbass' link lead to nowhere?
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Post » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:21 pm

And is it just me, or does saxbass' link lead to nowhere?

It leads nowhere.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:34 am

Hey real answer: it's a maybe maybe not situation, so no answer. But, whatev...they just want to create a new weapon that utilized an interesting new feature.

Give facts.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:11 am

Hey real answer: it's a maybe maybe not situation, so no answer. But, whatev...they just want to create a new weapon that utilized an interesting new feature.

Give facts.

A weapon that I've been using with my character since Level 6 when I acquired it(now Level 23), thanks to the Quest Reward Leveler.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:35 am

It must have been a artifact, because the katana is slim and much simpler. And what about the voice Grommak heard?
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:42 am

Tsaeci religion.[post="http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml"]No Azura[/post]
Why there can't be some form of worshipping Azura (and other daedra\aedra) in the age of akavirian rule in Tamriel?
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:04 am

Why there can't be some form of worshipping Azura (and other daedra\aedra) in the age of akavirian rule in Tamriel?

For that matter I think it stands to reason that even in Akavir they probably have daedra worshipers.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:30 am

For that matter I think it stands to reason that even in Akavir they probably have daedra worshipers.

One would assume so. Why would a daedric Princes not meddle in the affairs the Akaviri? The lack of evidence is no reason to assume that this civilization was not in touch or contact with various daedra. I'm not going to say I believe they worshipped daedra but it is entirely possible.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:38 am

Why there can't be some form of worshipping Azura (and other daedra\aedra) in the age of akavirian rule in Tamriel?


For that matter I think it stands to reason that even in Akavir they probably have daedra worshipers.


One would assume so. Why would a daedric Princes not meddle in the affairs the Akaviri? The lack of evidence is no reason to assume that this civilization was not in touch or contact with various daedra. I'm not going to say I believe they worshipped daedra but it is entirely possible.


Nothing ever is impossible. It is not impossible that the Emperor took regular Baths in the lava of Red Mountain. It's not impossible that a Dwemer TV crew is currently shooting a documentary about us while on the moon. So mere non-exclusion doesn't mean anything.

The idea that the Tseasci worship Daedra relies on the assumption that the Tseasci think like we do. Going by the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml this doesn't appear to be case at all. As such nothing much can be said about the Tseasci. They remain appropriately alien.
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Post » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:00 am

For that matter I think it stands to reason that even in Akavir they probably have daedra worshipers.


That would make sense, seeing as Daedra exist for them too, assuming that Daedra also meddle in the affairs of Akavir (Which would seem logical enough, seeing as they have no reason NOT to to our knowledge, though certainly we don't know enough about them to be certain.) it would stand to reason that someone in Akavir would, at some point, have decided that it would be a good idea to worship these powerful, scary beings who can give nice things to people they like, but can also do really bad things if they're in a bad mood, no real facts back this, but none disprove it either, and it seems to be a logical enough conclusion, but that doesn't really say anything in this regard, it still doesn't tell us where Dawn/Duskfang comes from, and in the case of the Daedric artifacts that look like Akaviri weapons (Goldbrand and Ebony Blade, I believe.) there's no real reason why they need to have any connection to the Akaviri to look like that. Maybe Mephala and Boethia just like katanas.

I don't really see any particular reason to conclude that the weapon has a connection to Azura, though, one would expect the cycle of day and night to be significant to those outside of Azura and her worshippers, after all, in the day, the sun shines, it's bright out, and people tend to do work during the day, in the night, it's dark, the moons are visible, and it's when most people sleep, so it seems to me like a weapon with powers based on the cycle of day and night doesn't necessarily need to have any connection to Azura, besides, despite it's name, it stays as Dawnfang from sunrise to sunset, and Duskfang from then until sunrise, whereas it's specifically the hours of dawn and dusk that are sacred to Azura, and in the games, things that are based on them tend to only work during dawn and dusk (For example, in Morrowind the Cavern of the Incarnate can only be entered during those times, as is the case for that monestary that serves as a based for the Dissident Priests, and in Oblivion, you can only make the offering at Azura's shrine at dawn or dusk.) ignoring the fact that from a gameplay standpoint, a weapon that only has an enchantment in two brief periods of time in a day wouldn't be very useful, one would expect its powers to only be active at dawn or dusk if we use that as a basis to assume it's connected to Azura, though we may never know the truth, seeing as it has yet to appear outside of the Shivering Isles, and the only information provided on it seems to be what we can gather when we find it in the game, which tells us where it was found and how, but not who created it.
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