appearently from the new trivia on blog question we can see that deadric princes are not considered gods and neither is Lorkhan. What does the lore comunity think of this?

HOLY EFFING BULLCRAP.

There's no difference between Aedra and Daedra aside from their participation in making the Mundus. Shame on you, TIL.

Nevermind that Daedric Princes are often referred to as gods. And The Tribunal. And any supernatural being mortals are in awe with.

Friggin' bullcrap...

yep and the hoonding is considered a god though.

Interesting don't you think?

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Full cite for clarity.

Where is my jaw?

Yeah, you had to go in the obscure text to find this one, unless you wrote hoon ding just to be different from the crowd... because you're a smart ass... :hehe: Its interesting that the blog would host a question, where the best article for discoving the answer is in the obscure texts,

That's a pretty important difference, as the end of Oblivion showed. Since we can safely assume the trivia goes by the general guidelines of existence as they are on Mundus as opposed to Oblivion, then no, they are not gods because they are not part of the world. Because the Aedra are, they have one-ninth absolute power while on Mundus, while a Daedra Prince is absolute in his own realm, and therefore decided not to give up their absolute authority and become a world-chunk. So on Mundus, Aedra are gods, Daedra are not, in Oblivion, Daedra are gods, Aedra are not.

And OP: Lorkhan is a missing god. By his very nature he doesn't appear. Kind of the point (one of them, anyway).

but the thing is you go into oblivion to clavicus vile's realm so he is a god in the game when you meet him.

That's true, but the trivia itself seems to be based on the rules of Mundus, not Oblivion.

I was under the impression it was the rules of TES universe NOT Mundus's laws. but anyways enought complaining from me.

I don't consider them gods as they cannot create, but only change.

Sure they are unspeakable powerful beings, but not gods.

Yeah, and what about the Earthbones? They were et'ada that contributed to Nirn - contributed more than the Aedra! And Magnus beat feet once he realized what maknig the Mundus entailed. And the Aedra were so pissed at Lorkhan they ripped out his heart - obviously they didn't consider their status change an upgrade. The Aedra on the Mundus seem less powerful than the Princes in their own Realms and when the Princes appear on the Mundus. Well, at least in the last several eras of Nirn's History.

And where in the TES universe is "god" as an organism defined clearly? What level of power makes you a god? What actions (creation/change) define what is and is not a god? That's the problem when you make beings that are completely NOT like any Earth mythological deities (made up fairy tales) and that have concrete and defined history and rules. "God" is such a vague term in this sense, and carries way too much connotative baggage to be viable for accurate terminology. It's like saying "Oh, and then there were these things and one of the things wanted to make a planet. Some of the things agreed but others of the things disagreed with the thing. So they made this planet-thing and the things kinda got svckered into the whole deal, but the other things didn't."

I think the earthbones would say something like, "what's done is done".

The only difference is that Aedra are mortal but Daedra aren't. Aecra can't change the laws of mundas, but they have the same control over their plane(t)s as Daedra.

Wait, how are Aedra mortal? They don't belong in the cycle of mortality as far as I know.

As for changing the laws of the Mundus... wouldn't they be able to change whatever laws they contributed? Of course one Aedra couldn't change everything, but if you got 'em all together (even the Earthbones), then I'm sure you could do some serious reconstruction. It's like building a really complicated puzzle box that you live in where you got 12 people designing 12 sections and each is responsible for their section. But then half the team goes comatose, and you can't get out 'cause you don't know how to alter the 6 pieces the other dudes worked on. And you and your conscious fellows aren't on the best of terms and disagree about what to do, and to top it off, there was actually another person building a prison cell around your puzzle box house and he had the key but then he left with it and now you are soooo screwed.

screw daedra apparently not being gods, why did only 3 people get the answer? i should have submitted, the Hoon Ding was my first guess.

Well I kind of just viewed the deadra as being well... the deadra. They're a bunch of largely powerful beings that play around in their realms and mess with the people of our realm.

EDIT: btw.. link?

Are you sure about that?
And define "god" in this case.

They die and their spirits go trough the Dreemseeve. Then they are spit back out into Mundas outside Nirn and they [Guess] are reminded of who they are by the other Aedra/ lesser Aedra. [/guess] What do you think a Dragon Break is if not for the death of Alkatosh

That's not correct. What are your sources for that? The dragon break is just when the dragon god Akatosh loses control of time.

I call semantics. As someone else pointed out..they're not technically gods on Nirn, only within their own realms. On Nirn their power is very limited. So it's a sort of nitpicky technicality.

I think since the questions came from TIL's librarians, and Proweler responded with the answer "they aren't gods to the Redguards", then that's the reason. While they aren't omnipotent on Nirn, that's a pretty limp-dike reason why they aren't gods. When infact, their power hasn't deflated at all. Is Dagon less of a god of revolution and destruction when he's on Nirn? No, there's simply less revolution and destruction from which he can opperate. He's still captain of his ship, he's just gotten on a new one, relenting to the command of Nirn.

This is completely BS. Shame on gamesas ;_;

Yea, I don't even participate and that sound lame, heck, the question was "Name a god that appears in The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard." First this implies that more than one god appears in Redguard, meaning that there should be multiple correct answers. Also, the question doesn't ask "what Redguard god appears in TESA:Redguard", it just says to name a god that appears in the game. Its not asking for the Redgaurd perspective of who might be seen as a god to them, just for a god, and the Daedric Princes easily fall under the blanket-term of 'god' (omnipotence is not the only qualification for being a god, or even the most important).

Definitely an intentionally misleading question.

A Dragon Break is when Akatosh loses control, not when he dies. The Aedra don't die, they already died, now they're the laws of nature.

Why?

Really? I thought that was the Earthbones, for they gave themselves completely. The aedra, I thought, were just really weakened, because they cut some pieces, but not the whole. Was bleeding out part of the process there, or did that just happen ?