I just don't get it. Clearly we both share a love for gaming. And we are both super excited for Crysis 2. So why is there a reason you hate us console players so much. If we both love the game then why does it matter where we play it. We know you got these awesome machines that you love to show off to people. But why do you care so much that we are just happy?

I can't watch a single crysis 2 video without a PC elitist coming on and saying, " If you play this on a console you're a ****". Really? So what your saying is you would rather this be limited to people who can only afford high end PC's. And sure a 600$ PC could run it to, but not to the quality so many of you PC elitists say Crysis can achieve. To be honest, I would rather play Crysis 2 with the graphics it has now on my xbox than by a high end PC to make it look just a little better.


Truth is i don't want to hate you guys. I want to come on gamesas.com and talk about a game with everyone. I don't think there should ever be divisions in a community. Now that perfectly fine if you PC players want tro talk about settings and all that cool stuff, but we enjoy this just as much as you do and we are ecstatic to see this franchise come to consoles. Give us a chance, we are not all bad.
The problem isn't the graphics alone and the elitism. PC gamers tend to hate you because consoles are wrecking PC games for us in every possible way. Consoles always have to have their games dumbed down from the PC version for you console players to be able to play them, your Xbox and PS3s cannot handle games like a computer can, both technically since you're running on 5 year old hardware, and gameplay wise because a controller doesn't offer half the precision and openess a mouse + keyboard offers.

The problem begins at the consoles because they're so mainstream, a lot of companies simply shift focus off the PC in order to take advantage of mindless masses you guys represent. Not only are you more, a lot of you will just buy anything that gets thrown your way no matter how crappy (I'd say because hardly any of you ever spent some time as a PC gamer, so your standards are pretty non-existant. If you'd do that, you wouldn't be albe to pick a console again because you'd realize how crappy a console experience is in comparison), and since you're running locked down hardware, companies are free to push all kinds of paid DLC while on the PC, due to the openess of the platform and the modding community, we can make our own content. So while you guys pay $15 for 5 new maps every 3-4 months, we can literally make hundreds of them in the same time, all for free, and many of them with the typical indie feeling you wouldn't get otherwise if it were made by a company. Not only maps, but weapons, game modes, game modifiers and even completely new games all together. Since 2000 Counter-Strike is the titan of online play on the PC and a game that's worth several billions now, started off as a mod based on the Half-Life game and engine by a handful of enthusiastic players.

The real part of the problem is when companies start cattering to you. Yes you've always been and probably always be considered the "amateur league" because your games and your controllers cannot compete on the PC. But since you're more and sorry for the bluntness, more stupid and eager to throw their money on to anything, you guys get the primary development of the game while the PC is left with the scraps. This has ruined several franchises the PC had, COD beeing the best example of that. A game that started off as a PC exclusive with all the right things to be the titan for years to come, is now half of what it should be in gameplay terms, the online component is pure **** since they decided to take out dedicated servers in order to replace with P2P gaming the consoles have, there's no evolution of the genre since you guys are buying them year after year without thinking twice about it, and the game is now as complex as tetris.

Basically, when companies start making games for consoles, it's the PC gamers that suffer. We have better machines capable of more and more complex games in every aspect there is, and we're not getting them because you consolers are holding us back since 2006 with your outdated hardaware, clumsy and limited controllers and retarded mentality. What you guys consider a great game, we consider it **** because we have higher standards on machines that do more, and did so already. Any game from pre-2006 is ten times better and more fun than 80% of the games released afterwards, CS is still beeing played by dozens of thousands after 11 years and the competitive scene is as strong as it ever was. And most games that come out these days cannot even hope to create such a great game as the one a few community members of a game created 11 years ago.

Crysis. This is another example of a franchise beeing dumbed for the PC due to consoles. A lot of you people probably never even seen a screenshot of Crysis 1, and yet right it looks 5 times better than Crysis 2 does because the engine was PC exclusive and it was free to push the boundaries of our hardware creating photorealistic enviroments. Maps were colossal, as in several miles/kilometers wide and completely open to take any approach you want, how you want, from wherever you want. The nanosuit as twice capabilities the options the current nanosuit does. This is all gone because WE are beeing limited by YOUR hardware. Just another example of a great game turning to **** because consolers arrived and companies want to milk as much money as they can from those mindless mobs.

That's why PC gamers hate you.

I show no bias between the two platforms.....coming from a Xbox 360 owner and a PC owner. I must admit i just recently purchased my PC to play games at faster FPS and higher graphics because i thought it was about time I upgraded. I played the demo for both and cannot tell the difference except a higher FPS on the PC side. I know they are both on DX9 but that doesn't say much, they both look great, and I won't be surprised is Crytek ends up updating the Direct X API shortly after release for PC. Ive played alot of games on consoles, my root's are consoles but I don't say PC gamers are arrogant towards console games because the games on console's are of lower quality. Example take a look of one of the greatest console franchises "Gears of War". I know the first of the series was also for PC and Xbox 360, and shame on Microsoft for making it a console exclusive, but the game is awesome and to be truthful I don't play it for the graphics, I play it for it's awesome story and game play. And it's until all gamer's realize that, you will always have fanboy's and haters from both end's of the spectrum.

i hate crytek for destroying everything that was great about crysis 1 and crysis wars to make it fit a more consolish game style, no offence here, its obvious that pc and consoles have a different style of gameplay
also hate the fact that the game was made specially for xbox, pc version is a port and from what it looks like ps3 version is also worse
lastly i hate those console players that think they deserve an autoaim function on pc, if you want autoaim then play on console, simple
im not going to talk about the vast numbers of kids playing consoles that have to put 'your mom' in every sentence they make
as long as console dont ruin pc games i have noting against them

also couldnt agree more with kupp

So, while practicing, should I have looked down onto everyone else around me who was using a Beretta 92 or a Parabellum because I had a more expensive piece of gear??


You don't look down at them, but if whatever they think what they're using (which I'm going to infer is inferior) is the best in shooting, you'll at least pity them.

This is what many PC gamers feel when they see gamers playing on their consoles and think that is the only thing gaming has to offer them. I'm not saying PCs are the best experience in every game, because there are limits to the genres of games you can play. Eg, you can't play motion games (move/kinect/wii) or touch sensitive games (ipod/DS), but in the majority of cases, you won't get a better experience than on the PC.

Consoles are also limited in their input, while PCs can use controllers, steering wheels, and possibly move and kinect soon.

Direct X doesn't matter to me. I don't want a benchmark, I want something that looks as good as it can. If Crytek can do all that it intends to in Direct X 9, then so be it. Direct X is very inefficient, and its partly the reason why even though a high end PC today is 10x as powerful as a console (not in anyway exaggerating), it doesn't look 10 times as good, nor does it run 10 times as well.

that's the point, people with an inferior (techically) piece of equipment did not think their gun was as efficient as mine (given mine was anatomically molded to my hand, had 4 different setting screws for the sights, trigger sensitivity and treshold adjusters and whatnot....) but I was not about to consider them less than I was like PC players do with console players. Elitism is never good, hell even developers look down upon elitists.

We don't hate console gamers......

People like TC however are quite annoying because frankly, they don't know much about PCs and as a result seem to expect, nay, demand that they get similar quality. Only way to achieve that is strip down the PC version till it will run on 2005 hardware with below 512 MB RAM.

Crysis 2 right now, seems to be a result of just that.

So we don't hate console gamers, were frustrated that the sequel to the pinnacle of game graphics does'nt exactly look like an upgrade even though it's been four years.

And yes, console gamers are often extremely anoying to argue with because frankly, they're usually not qualified to comment on PC gaming at all. We're talking "does'nt know how to identify one's GPU" not qualified here.

Edit: Crysis 2 looks very pretty IMO. However, it's impossible for me to ignore that massive lack of physics that were previously there not to mention destructibility even though Crysis 1 did'nt consistently allow you to wreck everything either.

What Kupp said.

I just don't get it. Clearly we both share a love for gaming. And we are both super excited for Crysis 2. So why is there a reason you hate us console players so much. If we both love the game then why does it matter where we play it. We know you got these awesome machines that you love to show off to people. But why do you care so much that we are just happy?

I can't watch a single crysis 2 video without a PC elitist coming on and saying, " If you play this on a console you're a ****". Really? So what your saying is you would rather this be limited to people who can only afford high end PC's. And sure a 600$ PC could run it to, but not to the quality so many of you PC elitists say Crysis can achieve. To be honest, I would rather play Crysis 2 with the graphics it has now on my xbox than by a high end PC to make it look just a little better.


Truth is i don't want to hate you guys. I want to come on gamesas.com and talk about a game with everyone. I don't think there should ever be divisions in a community. Now that perfectly fine if you PC players want tro talk about settings and all that cool stuff, but we enjoy this just as much as you do and we are ecstatic to see this franchise come to consoles. Give us a chance, we are not all bad.
I personally don't hate console gamers at all. I do however ahte when a developer makes a game and in the process waters it down both in terms of gameplay and visual eyecandy to make it work for consoles too. Sure we get the benefits of a larger playergroup to square off against but we also get artificial bolstering of players who by thier choice of hardware should be disadvantaged. We all know that console controls for a shooter are nowhere near as quick or accurate as a mouse/keyboard setup. and games like Crysis2 that rely ona players ability to aim accurately implement tools like "Aim assist" to offset that discrepency. many 'hardcoe' PC shooter fans will always look down on the use of such tools. To us its like a legitimate version of an aimbot.

Direct X doesn't matter to me. I don't want a benchmark, I want something that looks as good as it can. If Crytek can do all that it intends to in Direct X 9, then so be it. Direct X is very inefficient, and its partly the reason why even though a high end PC today is 10x as powerful as a console (not in anyway exaggerating), it doesn't look 10 times as good, nor does it run 10 times as well.

DX9 and 11 are both Direct X out of the two DX11 is better. So far Crysis 2 uses DX9.

Programming Crysis 2 without an API is not even an issue here. It's a little late for that. But that would be cool if they can make something amazing. MS has had it's own way for far too long.

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I'm a PC player and have voiced my opinion about consolers getting preference with this game series, when it was born on PC. I don't beleive PC player hate console players, it is what developers and distributors of games are doing; blaming PC people for their apparent loss of revenue via piracy. Noting that piracy is happening with console games, the console prople have been teflon coated when it comes to this issue.

It first became evident to me (though it was really happening before this) is when Call of Duty 3 was not released for PC- CEO decision; blaming a loss of revenue from Call of Duty 2 (BULL @#$@). Haven't bought an Activision game since.

Anyway, hope you enjoy this game. Don't think the PC gamers will because the game was expected to evolve from Crysis 1, not get watered down for console- again, its is all about marketing, not really what we want.

I'm a PC player and have voiced my opinion about consolers getting preference with this game series, when it was born on PC. I don't beleive PC player hate console players, it is what developers and distributors of games are doing; blaming PC people for their apparent loss of revenue via piracy. Noting that piracy is happening with console games, the console prople have been teflon coated when it comes to this issue.

It first became evident to me (though it was really happening before this) is when Call of Duty 3 was not released for PC- CEO decision; blaming a loss of revenue from Call of Duty 2 (BULL @#$@). Haven't bought an Activision game since.

Anyway, hope you enjoy this game. Don't think the PC gamers will because the game was expected to evolve from Crysis 1, not get watered down for console- again, its is all about marketing, not really what we want.

Exactly it's like God of War 4 coming out on 360 and PS4 and the PS4 version suffering as a result to the point where some people are saying it looks worse than the previous game on PS3. PS4 owners just wouldn't buy the game because they would have choice but on PC there is less choice at the moment so it's even more frustrating to contemplate a shoddy DX11 patch or no patch at all.

If it turns out Crytek is just doing the minimum to the graphics just to sell the game on PC it will really irk PC gamers who expected the game to blow everything else out of the water visually.

I'm a PC player and have voiced my opinion about consolers getting preference with this game series, when it was born on PC. I don't beleive PC player hate console players, it is what developers and distributors of games are doing; blaming PC people for their apparent loss of revenue via piracy. Noting that piracy is happening with console games, the console prople have been teflon coated when it comes to this issue.

It first became evident to me (though it was really happening before this) is when Call of Duty 3 was not released for PC- CEO decision; blaming a loss of revenue from Call of Duty 2 (BULL @#$@). Haven't bought an Activision game since.

Anyway, hope you enjoy this game. Don't think the PC gamers will because the game was expected to evolve from Crysis 1, not get watered down for console- again, its is all about marketing, not really what we want.

Not to mention the complete lack of media/internet coverage on the fact that the only not leaked version of retail Crysis 2 is the PC one. But PC gaming deserves the shaft because of piracy? is'nt it more about "development cost"? As in, it's more expensive to release a game on consoles but once the money is spent why use more to gain that last 800% (insert smiley of choice) improvement?

What has to be taken into account too is the fact that pc gamers usually build their own system. Each part (cpu, ram, motherboard, gpu, psu, hard drives, ssd, towers, fans, watercooling...) is deeply selected according to the needs.
Until crysis 1, games were often ahead of hardware. And pc gamers had to tweak the system or the game config to get the best of the machine. So there is a link (or a passion) between the player and its hardware. That's why you could call some of them "pc elitist". Because we are guys who expect games to push our system to the boundaries, and we know what element influence each part of the game design. While usually console gamers just don't even know what's inside their console nor how it works. They still believe that xbox hasn't been used to its full potential...just lol and lol....
And then you have these uneducated people (hardware speaking) coming to us telling us xbox or ps3 are better, or gaming is as good if not better than on pc. Of course some of us are getting irritated. We are fed up talking to people not knowing that things they have now has been common for us the last ten years.


Just a few elements broken by consolization:

-dedicated servers disappearance (if not it's badly done)
-broken voip
-crappy fov and weapon taking half the screen just to make framerate better
-graphic settings almost unavailabe
-poor cpu gpu optimization
-1 meter square maps
-sluggish controls, mouse acceleration, side buttons not working
-always the same old graphics. When was the last time you were amazed by graphics ?
-always checkpoints in games, F5 anyone remember ?
-no lans
-6vs 6 players
and the list goes on .....

So it's not towards you the rage, but the frustration we have about being taken for teens and fools by developpers who test their games with a pad.

And I'm glad that I see more often now consoles players talking to us to understand our point of view and exchange opinions, instead of being a fanboy (I always compare them to a teen telling me once that "tokyo hotel" was the best band ever)

ps: people should change "pc elitist" by "pc integrists". There are always morons on each side.

No you are all elitists. It is absolutely hate. Face it. Aside from a few Minor details, they look pretty much exactly the same wherever you play it. Then it's about preference. Mouse + Keyboard, or controller.


Thinking your better than someone else just because you spend more money is absolutely pathetic. You're no better than me, and I'm no better than you. Except my aditude towards gaming isn't a biased piece of ****.
"they look pretty much exactly the same wherever you play it."
this is the problem mr console player... if it wasnt for the stupid consoles we'd already have ways better graphics. and also alot more content. if it wasnt without us pc players. dont think for one second you would be where you are at with your games. and we hate the console players because they are becomming the center of the marketing and that retarded money whores like alot of mainstream companies abondons their roots to make more money. thats why we hate you. because most of you are bunch of little teenage kids who still think cod is the best game and every other game is a rip off of cod. yet you guys are still the main target when they make a game.
that aside developers such as crytek( they have to release dx11 patch tho ), dice, creative assembly and CD Project still remember where they started from. and thats why they own us pc gamer's respect

'PC gamers' don't hate 'console players'.

Noob haters hate on other noob haters all the time. Just ignore it

Yes, PC gaming is significantly cheaper now and also better, but that doesn't make anyone playing the game on console 'stupid'.

WOW mates, relax I really enjoy playing games on my PC rig and my PS3.I play both, I don't understand why it's everybody getting so mad.It's just gaming.Games are for relax and having fun.So stop this war PC vs console because it's just a waste of time.I play games since I was 5 years old.And I played a lot on PC as well on my console.So for me, both have their pros and cons.

I just don't get it. Clearly we both share a love for gaming. And we are both super excited for Crysis 2. So why is there a reason you hate us console players so much. If we both love the game then why does it matter where we play it. We know you got these awesome machines that you love to show off to people. But why do you care so much that we are just happy?

I can't watch a single crysis 2 video without a PC elitist coming on and saying, " If you play this on a console you're a ****". Really? So what your saying is you would rather this be limited to people who can only afford high end PC's. And sure a 600$ PC could run it to, but not to the quality so many of you PC elitists say Crysis can achieve. To be honest, I would rather play Crysis 2 with the graphics it has now on my xbox than by a high end PC to make it look just a little better.


Truth is i don't want to hate you guys. I want to come on gamesas.com and talk about a game with everyone. I don't think there should ever be divisions in a community. Now that perfectly fine if you PC players want tro talk about settings and all that cool stuff, but we enjoy this just as much as you do and we are ecstatic to see this franchise come to consoles. Give us a chance, we are not all bad.

This is exactly wwhat i have been saying throughout each and every flam war from the very start, maybe you dont spend too much time reading other posts m8, but i use PC, my son uses eggbox, and we are both quite happy with our respective platforms, even shairing as such at times.

please take a bit of time to read around some older posts, get to know my name, i dont see the point in strting up yet another topic of this nature, they always seem to end up in flamming, though I do take your point, i have as an avid PC gamer fought this corner to no availe on many occasions.

No matter where we live or what we spend or what we play the games on, we here to enjoy our experiences and share info, though some would prefer to be elitist and press the point, as long as you are happy with your rig/console, why continue??

dont figure! but again, point taken.

Guss

console is and always will be limited, so the console guys are just plaing pvssys, get a pc and learn to play games properly, and ive played console as well, so having been on both sides of the fence, i know what im talking about

I hate console gamers because they are 12 year old kids with serious attitude problems. Not to mention they have made my favourite game total **** IN COMPARISON to the first one.
Dude , thats just plain presumption based on yr own experience, my son is way older then 12, and i can vouch for that, lol. he and all his mates are in there 20s, and fully enjoying gaming in the same way i do on my PC, I can assure you the he and his many friends have no attitude problems whatsoever.

I can admit that when they see commentsd like the one above it does rather annoy them, but they dont leap onto my PC and retaliate.

Please dont be so damm arrogant and assume console gamers all fall into the same box it simply is not true, more over, when the PC Demo started, I saw a good number of PC Gamers here with some real need for attitude adjustment.

the general forum was turned into a thread of its own standing, as one PC dude after another just lost the plot and created there own thread instead of simply looking withtin the fortum to see if there was a suitable post, no that was way too hard. they all wanted to be seen as most important, and damm near crashed the forum.

We hate you because, Major game publishers and makers are not making games for us anymore.like gears of war,Halo,etc They all started as PC game.But now they are major console game sequels.Now gears of war ceo's humpy bumpy escuse is that people pirate games alot on pc.Well I can assure him that people can offcource play pirated games xbox and ps3.Just they cant play multiplayer on it.Pc pirates also can't play multiplayer game.
THE main fact is that he has became console fan just like you and hence avoiding making games for pc cuz he get money from big daddy microsoft enough.
we hate you because these console fanboys stoped making game for pc gamers who made them and their game famous.
You know the fact is that, you can really make beautiful game with lots of options for gameplay and gfx.
Take examples of crysis. It is best game ever made in history of games.You know when you play crysis there are trees shaking,sunbeam coming through tree leaves are also shaking,some nice sunset is going on at seeshore, turtals walking, chickens runing,crabs walking,toads hopping all happening at one time! Consoles can't handle thus stuff.So crytec make crysis2 game for you so that it can run at min 30 fps removing these things mationed above.

Crysis is great sill now cuz overclockers and extreme gamers can push there new high end gaming pcs to there limits.It is the only game which can do it.We still use it as benchmarking game to show off our pc power.If your pc can make upto 40 fps at very high gfx setting with full resolution in crysis then your pc is lagend.
The thing is that we hate you because we dont want to let crytec make games not for pc.we also don't want to get low quality games in future for pc because of your console hardware limits.
If game publishers are going to take this in their minds then belive me, i am your best friend you ever had.

This:

"pcs are **** to much **** about when i can just put the? disk in the xbox and play. why do you insist on hanging on to something people clearly arnt? interested in? just die already
MrUrban1986 30 minutes ago"

Also I think this isn't even true a good PC with a SSDD will probably boot windows and load a game before a console can turn on and spin the dvd. With a standard HD I would guess at worst the same time between switching the thing on and playing the game.

I know that my brothers PS3 seems to take forever to go from off to actually loading a game. It seems much less time on my PC.

But with a PC you might very well be using it for something else when you decide to play a game anyway so mostly you don't need to boot windows just to play a game.

I like a lot of the replies in this thread. Its two mobs wielding pitch forks and torches, merging together into the direction of the real problem, the developers.

This:

"pcs are **** to much **** about when i can just put the? disk in the xbox and play. why do you insist on hanging on to something people clearly arnt? interested in? just die already
MrUrban1986 30 minutes ago"

Also not true a good PC with a SSDD will boot and load a game before a console can boot.



Ya, that guy is an idiot. In fact I don't even believe it. This should bbe the perfect opportunity for console players to show their maturity and this just makes us look bad. I wouldn't be suprised if it was a PC elitist saying those words in an attempt to make us look bad. Because I don't think anyone could sound that arrogant. Very sad if its true. Nonetheless I think I've started a great discussion. A few stupid people, but for the most part I'm overwhelmed by the positivity of the feedback and everyone's responses.


It seems the trend is that PC players are upset because they think the production of Crysis 2 on consoles is weighing down the production of the PC game. And yes I know what the original Crysis was like. My friend has a super Pc that he had Crysis fore and I got to play it. Strangely enough he is actually more of an xbox player, ( Halo addict, lol). Game looked great for sure, but I am and always will be more concerned with gameplay. That is why I'm buying Crysis 2. Not because it looks great, even though it does, but because I enjoyed the gameplay.

And all you PC players saying we will buy anything are stupid. You say we buy COD because we are retarded? Wow....

Let me explain it to you this way. My first Call of Duty was COD 4 and I absolutely loved it. I got WaW because I loved Cod 4 and I was disapointed. Then I got Mw2 because I thought it would be like Cod 4 and i enjoyed it for a good while. Then Black Ops came out. Mw2 was a laggy mess, and I thought you know what.... I don't care if this series is overrated. Does it deserve the success it has? Hell NO!!!!! But I figure a Cod game provides me with at least 30 hours of gameplay, and I wanted the zombie mode. So I bought it. And it was fine. Didn't blow me away, but still satisfied me. But I put my time in to it, now I'm done. I don't worship it, I don't play it 24/7 and block out every other game ever made. In fact I have played Halo Reach 4x more than Black Ops. Will I buy the next Cod? I don't know. If it looks good yes. But I'm not going to buy it just because of the name. And unlike you PC players, I won't not buy it because of the name.