Hilarious.

lol this has to be a joke...it sounds 0% alike in any note.

Don't go hunting for something to change the subject with now that your ears stopped working for you. I won't be as hard on you as everyone here, but this post will bring nothing but a flame war.

Your logic astounds me. You should probably read more on the American copyright system and look at some court cases, especially ones around east Texas. IP rights are by far the most intriguing. I also recommend changing your post, because this is not going to end well for anyone.

Why should I change it? I would be fine with a mod locking the thread if need be. I'm standing by my opinion though, which was mostly intended as an apology anyway. Don't get so defensive.

I don't think there is any doubt to anyone that socialist and capitalist cultures are widely different in these things, and there shouldn't be any harm in a simple observation of this fact.

Indeed, if you mean the dramatic sounding choir, you DO realize that the Skyrim theme is not the only soundtrack from a game, movie, or anything else to do that... right? I fail to see any similarity between the two pieces, beyond the fact that both use similar concepts, and that is NOT plagiarism, if it were, then you'd be hard pressed to find music that ISN'T plagiarism.

I doubt it.

The thing that gets me, is that you have yet to further explain exactly how they are alike. If they are SO close that you can make a thread and wish to argue over it, then you should have no problem listing off how it is almost the same.

This can't be serious...right?

I also doubt it. In theory, it should be people in the socialist countries that are less entitled to copyright. Copyright exists to protect capitalist interests specifically, because what you own is your lifeblood.

Money has the same value here as over there, but human rights, freedom of speech, artistic interests all come first. I'm not going to go further on this subject as it would quickly grow into a pointless political debate.

But I'll say that if both Apple and Microsoft were Norwegian companies, and the Apple law suit from over a decade ago took place in Norwegian courts, Apple would win and have a universal copyright to the graphical operating system. I'm not saying Apple wouldn't win in America either, they chickened out and took a settlement, but I'm just saying.

So how about we go back to the original topic and you answer my question. Describe in further detail, how the songs are alike!

First of all, great song, and I don't think you need a link, everybody knows that one.

Second of all; really? I think you're grasping at straws here, Jeremy Soule is an awesome composer and IMO they don't sound very similar other than a choir is singing over music... like a billion other songs out there.

Biggest fail thread I have witnessed in recent history.

The best part is he refuses to back his argument. I'm actually curious as to how he thinks they are alike... unless he was just trollin' or something.

So I guess there's only room for about 8 different songs in Socialist countries or you'll end up breaking copyright no matter what you do.

Here's sure-fire proof that opinions can be wrong.

This is an especially small amount considering that you have to share them with everyone in the country.

Seriously The Darkest Hours, whered you go? I honestly want to hear your side of it past, "I'm a frequency guy." or whatever you meant. :/

Well I could abuse you and tell you how much of an idiot you are, but I'm not, I'll just say that it sounds nothing alike.

Pro tip: Socialism =/= Communism

On the music itself, I only ever said it reminded me of the Skyrim theme, go back and check if you will. Just questioning whether it was (quote) "a bit derivative".

The musical arrangement consists of - barring the gap in style across several generations - roughly the same instruments, even within each broad group, and is one of not many non-contemporary western orchestral works recorded with a male choir. (Within the more stronger Romantic subgenre, which Soule definitely taps into) The two pieces simply sets a similar mood, IMO. The structure is about the same from 1:30 onwards. Mostly structure and pressure, not melody or tempo.

The only reason I posted was to see what other's thought. Not to impose my opinion.

Eh, I dunno. It doesn't really match to me at all. Oh well, I'm outta here.

OP there is 0 similarity between the two. No similarity in rhythm, tempo, vocalization, make-up. You're insane if you think there is a similarity.

And you're lying about not trying to impose your thoughts, this is clear in your polling options. Too similar, Doesn't Matter or (essentially) It's Not Plagiarism. There is no room for deviation from what you think in that poll.

There is a lot of music that can sound similar to songs you are familiar with, but for the most part it's not plagiarism. It's the simple fact that music in certain genres must capture the same mood. You can't blame country artists for all using acoustic guitars and whatever they do to their voices there.

Personally, the one thing in particular that reminded me a lot of other video game music would be the soundtrack for World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. None of it was blatantly copied from elsewhere, but some parts of some songs sound like they took parts from other notable songs. People have made the argument that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-t1Bzrrw3k&feature=player_detailpage#t=66s and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utg1wmeToNc&feature=player_detailpage#t=11s are similar. They share one part in common though, about a minute into the WoW one and right in the beginning for the Halo one.

In other news, I really, really like that song from Halo 3: ODST. Best game soundtrack ever in my opinion...

but this doesn't MEAN ANYTHING. you could say the same thing about pretty much every single popular rock song made since 1979, or every single dubstep track period, and while yeah i won't argue that there's not a significant amount of derivation going on in both of those scenes, to go so far as to compare it to PLAGIARISM is kind of hilarious.

also, comparing them:

- Mountain King has very pronounced percussion, whereas the Skyrim theme does not.
- the choir in Mountain King is continuous and monotone, only switching to a higher pitch at the end of the phrase. the choir in the Skyrim theme is synced rhythmically and melodically with the phrase itself.

i mean i'm sure Soule's HEARD THIS SONG BEFORE, but i highly doubt he made a conscious decision to base the Skyrim theme off of the structure of the end of this song.



who's made this argument? i want to find them and punch them. as a musician this is quite literally the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

1000s of songs have a build-up and release. It's not patented.