I've always wondered what it would take to permanently destroy a Daedra Lord. Smacking them around in the mortal plane till they drop just sends them back to Oblivion. What do you think it would take to kill a Daedra Lord? I'm thinking it would take at least another Daedra Lord to do it...it couldn't be done by just smacking them around. What would happen if you smacked down a Daedra Lord in his own plane?

You can't kill gods, Aedra OR Daedra.

I'd imagine it'd svck really bad if you obliterated a Daedra in his own plane, if that's even possible.

What about Lorkhan then?

Recall that Shor has had several avatars appear on Nirn...literally since the beginning of time, that is, the merethic era; check Harrald Hairy-Breeks, Hans the Fox, Pelinal, Wulfharth, Hjalti Early-Beard, Maruhk (if I'm not mistaken), Zurin Arctus...please tell me I can stop now. Trinimac couldn't even destroy his Heart. I'd say that's pretty not-dead.

"We curse you, noisy Lorkhaj, to walk Nirni for many moons..."

Lorkhan is not dead-dead. You cannot kill a god. Aedra, Daedra, Lorkan... they cannot be killed, cannot die. They are more of Idea that a superior Beings. Dagon in Destruction. He is not just a Prince of Destruction; he is Destruction. Concept, Idea, not just superior Beings. Cant kill ideas. So the answer is no, Daedric Prince cannot be dead-nonexistant-dead. Turned into, well, whatever Lorkhan was turned into or is now.

Now, if you are the game developer, you can make anything happen, even kill a god like Azura. But going back and forth on this or that for the sake of the plot is just wrong and never will happen. Be content with Dagon sticking his fiery behind into the mortal plane for as long as it takes to destroy the mortal plane.

Actually, looking at MK's latest work, I think maybe Dagon can be tamed, removed from his never-ending crusade, by the means of time restarting or the end being the begining, the cycle of repeat events thing, whatever it is that is talked about in that topic. Well, maybe not tamed or removed; new, perhaps not so drastic, misson that has to do with destroying. Maybe. Or maybe the whole mumba jumba happens again and we see Dagon being Leaper King (or whatever he was before) be Leaper King again untill he becomes Dagon again... Anyways, just my thoughts wondering off. Disregard.

You can't.

I think Sithis can kill ideas. It is his purpose, isn't it?

But Sithis cannot reach nothing but mere 2 planes if i got it correct. And Sitish is a demigood in the Deadric plane he can reach.

Sithis as the Darkbrotherhood worships them is Lorkhan, the god that brought mortality back the Aurbis. Their precursors, the Morag Tong saw in this all that taking lives, was the highest form of living. After they were outlawed, the philosophy started to fall apart and the only thing left that they could understand was Sithis.

Sithis in every other context is half the Aurbis, and the Universe is only defined by it's interaction with Anuiel. Sithis can't act, simply because every event in the Aurbis, is done in combination with Anuiel.

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That aside, Manuel is on the right track, you can kill a god if you change them into something else.

But wouldnt tht leave something else in its place. Sorat like losing your memory and plastic surgery?

Same person, but very different.

Not necessary but I guess that could happen but as far as I know it haven't happened yet.

That wasnt exactly my train of thought, but OK. I figure that since Lorkhan is not himself right now (what is he now? I know he is not exactly himself anymore) then maybe if you find the parts that make him up and figure a way to destroy them, you can, IN THEORY, destroy him. But even if that can be accomplished, there is still a matter of whatever the idea and sphere that Lorkhand stands for(lets call it ISL-IdeaSphereLorkan for the sake of simplicity). ISL being him and or a part of him, time will have to pass, lots of it, before ISL is forgotten and Lorkhan is completely gone. I dont know about you guys, but I think that as long as ISL is existant, Lorkhan is existant and can be restored to him former self. Perhaps thats just speculation on my behalf though. Now to find a way to destroy, or at the very least singnificantly alter, the ISL and make Lorkhan dissapear and the new version of him come to be. Guess that, combined with destruction of whatever Lorkahn is now, would constitude death of a god.

This, again, for me at least, raises the question of what happened to Sotha Sil and Almalexia? When they are killed at the end of Tribunal MQ, are they dead-dead and their souls returned to Dreamsleave or are they elsewhere-existant-dead-to-mortal plane? Noob question I bet; I dont get it though. If they became gods once, did they loose the godhood after the release of the Heart? How did someone who gained godhood can loose it? If they lost their godhood then they neve were gods like Daedra... cofusing to me, but maybe easy for you guys. :shrug:

What about the Lorkhan-Tiber Septim thing? They are one now, right? That means Lorkhan as he was is no longer Lorkhan, but new Lorkhan, altered by Tiber adding himself to the mix. Hardly death of a god, but a change, alteration, reshaping and that might be view, should you see it that way, as death of a god... I donno, uncharted waters for me.

Lorkhan is still Lorkhan. All Talos did was mantle him. Mantling is mimicking a god down to a T. Lorkhan wasn't changed at all. Doubt you can change a god by mimicking him.

If I recall right, Seht and Ayem are in Aetherius. I think Vehk mentions meeting them there in the Trial.

Alright so you all are basically saying that a physical form of him can get destroyed but not the essence, soul, spirit whatever you want to call it.

That's the way I see it, at least.

Basically, yes.

Define 'physical form' though. Do gods have physical form? Whatever appears on Nirn is just an avatar. Whatever the form they take in their realm is, as far as I understand, is how its inhabitants see their master or the form that the Prince chose to take(again, basically, an avatar). If the common defenition of a god is the case with TES gods, then none of the gods have physical form at all but just avtatars(reardless of where they are) and they are basically spirits, ideas, concepts, etc and any 'physical form' they have is whatever they feel like appearing as but do not have one set form.

Not trying to rude here guys but those were some long winded replies to an easy explanation.

Yeah, they do. The planets.

If you somehow removed all madness from Nirn, wouldn't Sheogorath disappear? He would have as much (meaning)power as a cardboard sillhouette.

Those were hardly long winded. Appropriately sufficient, yes, but hardly longwinded.

Blame the nature of your question. Its not that simple. The fact you asked it proves this.

Actually it was.

Why did you keep asking questions then? I said in my first post you can't kill gods. The gist of most posts after that basically said the same thing, one way or another: Shor ain't dead.

Shor has been "killed" many times in his "realm," Nirn, if you wanna call it that. Like I said, he's had many avatars of his pop up on Nirn; he's been "walking Nirni for many moons" now.

I only asked two questions the first one questioning your answer then the second one making sure we were on the same page the short and sweet answer to the first question would've sufficed.

And then people continued discussion after answering, perish the thought.

It's the nature of this forum to answer the question in basic terms, than expand into 5+ discussions to remove all lingering misconceptions, and/or allow us to just talk about the subject.

No need to be so rude.