Delphine Appreciation Thread

Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:49 pm

The Dragonguard/Blades were founded to fight and kill dragons to protect the entirety of the mortal races. Even Parthy tells you that in your position, he'd not trust a dragon one bit.

In refusing to take Parthy down, you set yourself apart, though not essencially at cross purposes or againt, the Blades/Dragonguard. At that point, working with you carries more risk than reward.

Do you expect everyone to eat out of your hand?

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:33 pm

And by that point in her life. Delphine is a veteran elite warrior and leader that seen a lot more **** than the DB. She's fought a silent shadow war against the whole Aldmerri Dominion and the Thalmor for thirty years alone. And now some jumped up newcomer voice adept thinks he's top dog? No.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:32 pm

I can appreciate that Delphine is a strong woman who has her own set of morals and ideals. I have respect for her skills and fortitude.

I completely disagree with the way she view's the Dragonborns role.

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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:24 am

Are you really trying to say that killing Paarthurnax carries more weight and good faith than destroying The World Eater?

In that case, I'm glad that crone holds me as an enemy.


Yes.

Because I can disintigrate her in an instant with three words:

Yol.

Toor.

Shul.
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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:33 am

And the Dragonborn is a demi-God, who eats Dragons, took on a Vampire Lord, Ancient Falmer Vampire, The First Dragonborn who has 5,000 years of experience, communed with dozens of Daedric Princes, and is the only one who an defeat Alduin the World-Eater.

Are you seriously comparing a mortal human to the Last Dragonborn?

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:14 pm

I'm saying that as far as the Dragonguard is concerned, a dragon is a dragon. Even Parthy states that dragon are inherently dangerous, destructive and essentially evil, and that if he encountered a fellow dragon saying he came in peace, he'd not trust him in any way or form, and that neither should you.

A far as Delphine sees it, Parthy is still the same dragon that was the right hand of Alduin, and that the mere passage of time doesn't pardon the crimes he committed. And more to the point, what if Parthy changes his mind in the future? He's a threat, and people who's job it is to "reduce" threats won't let him live.

It's an optimist vs pessimist argument. Delphine is the latter, while a DB that spares Parthy is very much the former.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:08 pm

Please, had Paarthurnax not helped the humans against Alduin, the the world would be a very different place. Her ancestors were still swimming in a sack somewhere. She has no place to hold a grudge from events nearly 5000 years ago.
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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:46 am

That's just the other extreme.

If Delphine wanted to dictate the rules, she should've never used the word "serve". But she did, and so we are to take this as Akaviri/Dragonguard/Blades tradition.

I just can't picture this exchange of dialogue happening in any of the previous generations of the Blades, including the earliest ones.

Blade Grandmaster: I want you to kill that dragon.

Dragonborn: Don't wanna.

Blade Grandmaster: That's it, you're out.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:39 pm

Considering that a knife between the shoulder blades, arrow to the forehead, poison in the mead or a bad encounter with a cave bear can kill the dragonborn just as much as a human, and that we all **** the same no matter the power level...yes.

Do you think if Delphine wanted the DB dead that she'd meet him openly with a drawn blade? Hell no. She'd wait until he got meaded up with his buddies and collapse a building on him. Or cut his throat in his sleep. You see where this is going. Dragons are effectively demigods too. Guess what organization kind of made a career of kill them?

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:00 pm

I would sooner sell my soul to Molag Bal before appreciating the disgusting she-beast.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:25 pm

But it's okay if dragons do? Parthy has yet to pay for those crimes, after all.

And as a real-life example, a couple former SS guards from one of the concentration camps were recently captured in Argentina and extradited to Poland. They were convicted of the same charges as the guys at Nuremberg and will now live out the rest of their miserable lives in a concrete hell box, despite it being 69 years later.

Careful. You're about to kick off an argument on moral relativism. :tongue:

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:32 pm

You do realize that thousands of years have passed since the Dragon war. If there ever was a good chance Paarthurnax would snap, he would have after after all these centuries.

And he's made the decision to oppose Alduin not once but twice. His opinion on Alduin's rule is very well established.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:06 pm

http://sbmagazineresearch.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/delphine.jpg

vs.

http://i.imgur.com/MtaE1Co.jpg

Assassinating is so uber-easy. Right? Liek just get the Dragonborn drunk? I don't even now how I'm supposed to take that seriously.

Dragonborn is a dragon too. Guess we need to kill him. Because Dragonborns are literal Dragons in a mortal form. Which means, they also have that innate desire.

Have you seen the path he/she is on? Defeating Alduin... Miraak... Bend Will... The Dragons are going to start worshiping him/her as their new king.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:28 pm

Time has very little meaning for Dragons as they are immortal. I think Paarth has more than redeemed himself.

"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort". He's pretty much the reason Nirn is still around.

That example you gave, its similar. Except for the fact that while that occurred 69 years ago, this occurred FIVE THOUSAND years ago. Huuuuge difference.

If Paarth decides to return to his evil ways, then its the Dragonborn's duty to put him down. But for now, he's living peacefully on a mountain all alone.
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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:40 am

For the record, I actually agree with Njordr and Shadow Titan, I'm just playing devils advocate. Just as the DB is justified in his/her stance on things, so is Delphine in hers. She's supposed to be paranoid.

I also pretty much completely disagree with Hev. :P Everyone has to sleep at some point. It's why powerful people hire guards.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:12 pm

I do beleive Rommel made several remarks about how he respected Churchill, Patton and Montgomery... and IF I am not mistaken he was one of the few German commanders that earned the respect of those three.

Enemies can still respect and appreciate each other. It's not required to like someone ( or thing ) to respect or appreciate what they are/can do.

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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:15 am

Ehhh, it's not that literal. You may be a mortal gifted with dragon powers, but you're not one of them.

Yes, Paarthurnax does mention you share their instinct to dominate but you know, that's not all that matters. Dragons still are different individuals, just like you aren't the same as Miraak.

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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:14 am

If anything, Miraak is an example of a dragonborn going completely off the deep end and embracing that instinct. At which point I'd say yes, the Dragonguard should be moving to kill you.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:27 pm

In other words, rethinking their traditions. :tongue:

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Tasha Clifford
 
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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:25 pm

I don't respect or appreciate what they are or what they do (at least not anymore). The Blades are dead, and Delphine is desperately finding reasons (more so excuses) to restore the order. Even if it means reasons from hundreds of years back.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:04 pm

Times change, and the enemies with it. Being unwilling or unable to change leads to death. Traditions exist to be a guide, an example of action, morality and thought. Not ironclad rules.

People and organizations that think otherwise fall into the dustbin of history.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:16 pm

Delphine will get no appreciation from me she thinks she can boss me around huh ? like im her pet she is a biggest fool in all of the tamriel and the way she talks like he is supreme being and with that attitude she deserves a good beat up

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:34 pm

He doesn't just say that. He refers to you as literal kin. He flat-out says you're a Dragon.

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Post » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:09 am

I really couldn't respect someone that changed their whole value system overnite. I'm not saying she isn't wrong about the way she is going about trying to regroup the Blades. I actually think she is.

By the same token, I'm sure Montgomery thought Rommel was wrong fighting for Hitler. ( Heck their is some evidence Rommel thought he was wrong...different story) But he respected him as a fighting man.

I think Delphine is misguided, by her past. She has good morals, good values, she's a strong person.

IDK I was always taught to look at both sides of the argument. Nothing is black and white.

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Post » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:02 pm

Oh, Godwin's Law. You wench.

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