In-Depth anolysis Between Argonians and Hinduism

Post » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:29 pm

I’ve always wanted to write a serious and professional text on Argonian religion for some time now, after reading many in-game books, the Infernal City & Lord of Souls, and the events of The Elder Scrolls games themselves. However, I have never had enough information to properly create one. But now, with the release of The Elder Scrolls Online, I have been able to combine it’s in-game texts along with the various dialogue of Argonian NPCs have caused me to be able to finally start work on this. You see, as a non-religious person myself I wanted to make this piece as accurate as I could. So here it is, and I hope you all enjoy it. I would personally like to thank many websites and books for the research to enter this endeavor, and especially http://www.himaylanacademy.com for starting me off strong. I would also like to note to those that are followers of or are educated in the ways of Hinduism that most of these comparisons I make in Part One are NOT supposed to be truly exact at all; they are merely there to help explain the more complex thoughts of Part Two, and make parallels between the TES World and Hinduism itself. I just wanted to get that out of the way before I posted these, as not to offend any parties present.
This three-part series will focus primarily on the Nine Beliefs of Hinduism that all Hindus identify with and uphold in their daily lives. With the information I have collected from old and new sources, I am going to cross-anolysis these beliefs with Saxhleel culture and customs over the length of these volumes. So before we get started, I would just like to thank all of you for taking the time to read this and the others that will follow. I hope you all enjoy them.
The Nine Beliefs
  • “Hindus believe in a one, all-pervasive Supreme Being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and Unmanifest Reality.”
  • “Hindus believe in the divinity of the four Vedas, the world's most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God's word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion.”
  • “Hindus believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.”
  • “Hindus believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.”
  • “Hindus believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a single soul will be deprived of this destiny.”
  • “Hindus believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals, sacraments and personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.”
  • “Hindus believe that an enlightened master, or satguru, is essential to know the Transcendent Absolute, as are personal discipline, good conduct, purification, pilgrimage, self-inquiry, meditation and surrender in God.”
  • “Hindus believe that all life is sacred, to be loved and revered, and therefore practice ahimsa, noninjury, in thought, word and deed.”
  • “Hindus believe that no religion teaches the only way to salvation above all others, but that all genuine paths are facets of God's Light, deserving tolerance and understanding.”

Planned Pieces
  • In-Depth Collation Between Argonians and Hinduism: Gods, Spirit, and Reality
  • In-Depth Collation Between Argonians and Hinduism: Body, Soul, and Reincarnation
  • In-Depth Collation Between Argonians and Hinduism: Karma, Dharma, and Non-Violence
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In-Depth Collation Between Argonians and Hinduism: Gods, Spirit, and Reality (Part 1)
“Hindus believe in a one, all-pervasive Supreme Being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and Unmanifest Reality.”
“Hindus believe in the divinity of the four Vedas, the world's most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God's word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion.”
“Hindus believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.”
“Hindus believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals, sacraments and personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.”
“Hindus believe that no religion teaches the only way to salvation above all others, but that all genuine paths are facets of God's Light, deserving tolerance and understanding.”
Pervasive (adj.): Spreading widely throughout an area or a group of people.
Immanent (adj.): Existing or operating within; inherent.
Transcendent (adj.): Beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience.
Hinduism is unique amongst other religions in that it is both monotheistic and henotheistic, but most usually identify it mainly with Henotheism. In Henotheism, one worships one god without denying the existence of other deities. In Hinduism, there are over three hundred and thirty-three million gods; however, they are all just mere extensions of the Supreme Being, the one true God of the Hindu faith. Because of this, Hinduism consists of one God and has an extensive hierarchy of Gods. Some look at these Gods as mere symbols – personifications and representations of natural, mental, and spiritual forces. But the truth, however, is that the Mahadevas are individual soul beings, and down through the ages ordinary men and women, great saints and sages, prophets and mystics in all cultures have inwardly seen, heard, and been profoundly influenced by these superconscious inner plane beings.
The word used for the devotion of the Hindu gods is known as Bhakti, and is described as an “entire realm of knowledge and practice unto itself, ranging from the childlike wonder of the unknown and the mysterious to the deep reverence which comes with understanding of esoteric interworkings of the three worlds.” The Three Worlds are Hinduism’s view on existence. The First World is the physical universe that you can touch; the Second World is the astral/mental plane where the Deva (lesser gods) and the mortal spirits reside. The Third World is the spiritual universe where the main Hindu gods (Mahadevas) exist. Hinduism consists of the harmonious working together of the Three Worlds.
The Supreme Being and Primal God in Hinduism is often seen as Brahma, and whose existence is also the prime Parabrahman – the absolute omniscient consciousness. Brahma is derived from the Sanskrit ‘Brh’, which means to grow, manifest, expand, referring to the Brahma Mind of pure consciousness that underlies, emanates and resonates as all existence. At the same time, Brahma is also Purusha, the Primal Soul. He is the perfection of being, the original soul who creates/emanates innumerable individual souls - including the Gods.
One of the main reasons why the Hindu religion consists of so many deities (three hundred and thirty-three million gods!) is because India (the country where Hinduism was founded) consists of many peoples of many cultures of many languages, who all view the nature of the Supreme Being differently. Through history there arose four principal Hindu denominations—Saivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism and Smartism. For Sai-vites, God is Siva. For Shaktas, Goddess Shakti is supreme. For Vaishnavites, Lord Vishnu is God. For Smartas – who see all Deities as reflections of the One God – the choice of Deity is left to the devotee. This liberal Smarta perspective is well known, but it is not the prevailing Hindu view. It is this diversity that explains why Hindus are profoundly tolerant of other religions, respecting the fact that each has its own pathway back to the Supreme Being, God. Further, the Mahadevas who live in the Third World cannot be likened to the men and women who live on earth. They exist in perfectly evolved soul bodies, bodies which are not properly differentiated by six. They are pure beings made of pure consciousness and light; they are neither male nor female. To better understand the Mahadevas, we sometimes conceive them as being the man if they are strong in expression or the woman if they are gentle and compassionate. There are no husbands and wives in the vast, superconscious realms of the Third World. The husband/wife notion is a puranic myth. The term Goddess can refer to a female perception or depiction of a Third World being (Mahadeva) in its natural state, which is genderless, or to a Second World being residing in a female astral-mental body.
For some Hindus, the three deities Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva form a heavenly triad that fulfills the purpose of the Supreme Being (however, some sects within Hinduism worship each of the three as the Supreme Being on their own). Brahma is the Creator of the universe, the starter of all time. In India, the ox are sacred to him because they also create. Vishnu is the Preserver of the universe, and keeps the cosmos stabilized. According to Hindu belief, he has sent nine incarnations/avatars to walk amongst the earth. These include Rama (the seventh), Krishna (the eighth), and the Buddha (the ninth); his tenth avatar will supposedly herald the end of the world. Shiva is the Destroyer of the universe, and is also known as the Lord of Beasts and the Cosmic Dance. He destroys this universe to bring forth the next, continuing the cycle of constant death and rebirth. Because of this, Shiva is often a creator god as well.
It is, however, possible to free one self from this constant cycle. Vishnu’s ninth avatar – the Buddha – began this teaching in what would become the foundation of Buddhism. Born as an Indian prince named Siddartha Gautama in the area that is currently known as Nepal, he renounced all of his wealth and went through severe self-control and refrained from all forms of indulgences. Through this spiritual undertaking, he eventually achieved Enlightenment – the action or state of attaining or having attained spiritual knowledge or insight; an awareness which frees a person from the cycle of rebirth, no longer bound by the law of karma. Enlightenment (Moksha) is liberation from everything.
The core view of Hinduism is that God is not far away, living in a remote heaven, but is inside each and every soul, in the heart and consciousness, waiting to be discovered. This knowing that God is always with you gives an individual hope and courage. Knowing the Supreme Being in this intimate and experiential way is the goal of Hindu spirituality.
It is in the Hindu temple that the Three Worlds meet and devotees invoke the Gods of their religion. The temple is built as a palace in which the Gods live. It is the home of the Gods, a sacred place unlike every other place on the earth. Hindus must associate themselves with these Gods in a very sensitive way when they approach the temple. Though the devotees rarely haves psychic visions of the Deity, they are aware of the God's divine presence. As they approach the sanctum sanctorum, the Hindu is fully aware that an intelligent being, greater and more evolved than himself, is there. This God is intently aware of the worshipper, safeguarding them, fully knowing their inmost thought, fully capable of coping with any situation the devotee may mentally tell them. It is important that a Hindu approaches the Deity in this way - conscious and confident that their needs are known throughout the Three Worlds.
The physical representation of the God, be it a stone or metal image, a yantra or other sacred form, simply marks the place that the God will manifest in or hover over in his etheric body. It can be conceived as an antenna to receive the divine rays of the God or as the material body in or through which the God manifests in the First World. When one performs puja – a religious ritual – they are directly attracting the attention of the devas and Mahadevas of the Second and Third Worlds to the First World. That is the purpose of a puja; it is a form of communication. To enhance this communication we establish an altar in the temple or in the home. This becomes charged or magnetized through devotional thoughts and feelings which radiate out and affect the surrounding environment. Hindus can feel the presence of these divine beings, and this radiation from them is known as shakti.
Part I: Applying These ideals To The World Of The Elder Scrolls.
Parabrahman can be easily identified with Amaranth, with both consisting of having an individual – the Supreme Being – existing and manifesting throughout all things. The Supreme Being is the Godhead (Original/Previous/New/Current), and his/her consciousness is present throughout all things and beings within their Dream. Because of this, the Dream identifies with Purusha the Primal Soul. The Dream exists because it the Godhead’s ideal perfect creation, the perfect universe as they perceive it. Within the Dream exists innumerable diverse creations with their own souls, who (through CHIM/Moksha) can attain their own Amaranth. Because of this, the Dream (Purusha) is the Primal Soul of the Godhead (the Supreme Being) who is the Primal God, who existence defines Amaranth (Parabrahman).
The First World is Mundus, the physical plane, where all mortal creatures reside. The Second World is both the Dreamsleeve for the spirits of the dead, the Hist, and the waters of Oblivion for the Devas, with all three places recycling the soul for future reincarnation. The Third World is the Void, Aetherius, and the planes of Oblivion all at once, and is where the Mahadevas – the most powerful of deities – reside. Together, they are the Aurbis, the harmony that occurs when all Three Worlds flow equally with one another.
The continuing cycle of creation, preservation, and destruction are Kalpas. Each Kalpa begins at Convention, the foundation of the world. God and the Gods have already been established (however, some are changed from what they were before), and so are the Three Worlds. The Kalpa runs its course stably and correctly in all of its events from its beginning to its end. At the end, each Kalpa is destroyed (chiefly by Alduin, who eats the world) so the next Kalpa can be born. This cycle is a constant wheel of constant rebirth, until the wheel itself cracks apart on the Last Kalpa. In Hinduism, this cycle (along with time) is also seen as a wheel. Those that attain Moksha (CHIM) can free themselves from this cycle of rebirth.
The Et’Ada are the Mahadevas, the most powerful of the gods. The Et’Ada includes both the Daedric Princes, the Nine Divines, Magnus, the Magne-Ge, Y’ffre, and Lorkhan. Like the Mahadevas of Hinduism, they are neither male or female; existing as beings that were created and are embodied as perfect. However, each of the Et’Ada are typically perceived by – and often take on – the forms of either male or female avatars. Mephala takes on the form of a Hermaphrodite, showing that hir is neither male, female, or none, but all of them at once; Boethiah switches forth from being a male and a female all the time. The Devas are the Ada (Morihaus; Pelinal; Cultural Gods; Lesser Daedra), exceptionally strong beings that are under the authority of the Mahadevas. Each of these spirits are extensions of the Godhead within the Dream, as are all of the mortal races that reside on Tamriel and the other continents.
The Triad of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva equates with Anu, Nir, and Padomay and how they form a Supreme Being. Anu (Brahma) is the Creator; he is the one who creates the Dream and therefore creates the universe. Nir (Vishnu) is the Preserver; she gave birth to the Twelve Worlds of Creations, which would eventually go on to become the plane(t) Nirn, helping stabilize the Dream. Padomay (Shiva) is the Destroyer; he was the one that killed Nir and demolished the Twelve Worlds. However, Padomay can also be seen as the Creator as it is his actions that result in Anu beginning the Dream.
The Triad can also be equated with Akatosh, Lorkhan, and Magnus as well. Magnus is the Creator; he is the one that drew up the plans for Mundus. Lorkhan is the Preserver; he has sent many avatars to walk the Mundus (Shezzarines), and at least one of them, Tiber Septim (Buddha), has attained Moksha (CHIM). Akatosh is the Destroyer; as his Nordic aspect Alduin he devours the world to begin the next one. However, he is also Creator as he is also Auri-El, the beginning of time. Akatosh and Lorkhan themselves can adhere to this triad model when one looks at their aspects (Auri-El [Creator], Alkosh [Preserver], Alduin [Destroyer]; Lorkhan [Creator], Shezzar [Preserver], Shor [Destroyer]). Like in Hinduism, the gods themselves are perceived in multiple images that have diverse personalities from one another, which we attribute to mythopoeia within the world of The Elder Scrolls.
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In-Depth Collation Between Argonians and Hinduism: Gods, Spirit, and Reality (Part 2)

Part II: Applying These ideals To The Argonians

In Terms of Gods
We have all taken it as fact that the Argonians within their native home of Black Marsh do not worship any gods, only venerating the Hist, the great trees of their homeland which gave them life. Even the other Tamrielics know of this, as detailed in Varieties of Faith: The Argonians:
Except for a few of the most assimilated, Argonians worship neither Aedra nor Daedra. They do not have "religion" as it is known elsewhere in Tamriel. They are known to venerate the Hist Trees of Black Marsh, but they do not appear to have prayers, priests, or temples.
However, it is also known that the Argonians are unbelievably tolerant of other religions, and we have evidence of many different saxhleel joining Aedric or Daedric cults and covens throughout all of The Elder Scrolls games. They even have a connection with the primordial god Sithis, which many throughout Tamriel view as evil and vile. Varieties of Faith: The Argonians also touches on that as well:
Argonians also venerate Sithis, the primordial Shadow/Chaos that existed before the gods were born. Unlike most citizens of Tamriel, they do not regard Sithis as "evil." In fact, Argonians born under the sign of the Shadow are taken at birth and presented to the Dark Brotherhood, which in Black Marsh is considered an integral part of society.
Veneration only means deeply respect, so that doesn’t necessary mean that the Hist or Sithis are worshipped by the Argonians, right? Actually, might want to rethink on that one again, because here’s some more information.
For Sithis, here is the The Dark Husband and some dialogue from the Argonian No-Fingers from the Dominion quest Scars Never Fade:
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Like Secunda follows Masser, Sithis follows the Night Mother. Her husband pursues, but she seldom pauses, leaving him eternally in shadow.
Sithis has many names, and many parents … or none at all. But his Fangs … the Fangs of Sithis still bite. They take particular pleasure in envenoming the weak-minded, the foolish, the greedy, or the headstrong, but the Fangs can destroy the powerful and the wise as well.
Beware those born under the Shadow, and all those who seek to use its power. The downfall of our ancestors is tied to the Fangs of Sithis, and our scales remain darkened by his touch.
“Slim-Jah was once a Shadowscale, a holy assassin feared throughout Black Marsh. To sanction Uta-Tei as she did was a signal.”
“I was once a Shadowscale, just like Slim-Jah. For me to kill her without sanction would be true heresy. I've lived my life without angering the Night Mother, and I'd rather not start now.”
“Argonians born under the sign of the Shadow are special. Some are taken at birth and trained as assassins. We follow the god Sithis, and through his consort-wife we receive kills.”
The above tells us that the Argonians do in fact fully acknowledge Sithis as a god, and view the Shadowscales as ‘holy’ because they kill in his name. Uta-Tei also says that Night Mother is also deeply respected as the consort-wife of Sithis, and is probably worshipped by them as well. The book interestedly hints that the Argonians may have been cursed in the past by Sithis, resulting in the creation of the Shadowscales. If one looks at Hinduism, it can be explained that the Argonians don’t view Sithis as evil because he is just another face of the Supreme Being; he is neither good nor evil, and simply exists with his own coven of followers (the Dark Brotherhood). All in all, some Argonians are confirmed to worship at least one deity.
It has been long debated if the saxhleel worshipped or venerated the Hist, the great trees that gave them life. After perusing ESO (I’m actually coming to like this game), I discovered three in-game books that delve into the connection the Argonians have with the Hist, and how they commune with them regularly. The first is an excerpt from The Lost Communion:
Spoiler
Before the Hist, nothing existed. The Hist meant everything and provided all.
Jaraleet knew this. Every Argonian knew this, instinctively, from hatching. Why, then, wouldn't the Hist speak to them? Didn't the old stories say the Hist talked to its people?
Day after day, Jaraleet burnt offerings and made sacrifices. He chanted and prayed. He ate little, his efforts concentrated upon renewing the ancient connection between the Hist and its people.
The Trials of Hissmir:
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The trials serve as an offering of one's self to the Hist. For the Hist to trust the participant, the participant must first trust the Hist.
The participant's mind, heart, and will are tested. Without a disciplined mind, one cannot comprehend the message of the Hist. Without a pure heart, one's purpose does not serve the will of the Hist. Without a warrior's will, one cannot safeguard the Hist for future generations.
Be resolute, and stay moist.
Path of the Pilgrim:
Spoiler
While many of the purportedly civilized nations refer to our homeland as Black Marsh, the pilgrims and priests of Hissmir know better. The lands of Argonia are far from a garbage heap. The soil is rich and full of life. Plant and animal life flourishes. The Hist speaks to those who listen.
Our Argonian brothers and sisters who venture outside miss a piece of themselves if they are unable to commune with the Hist. It is for this reason pilgrims from across the land travel to Hissmir and offer up themselves to the trials and communing.
The first of these sources reveal that at least some Argonians burn offerings, make sacrifices, chant, pray, and partake of the Hist sap in order to commune with the trees. The second shows that the saxhleel engage in ‘trials’ so the Hist can judge them and decide on who is worthy of their trust. And the third refers to Argonian ‘pilgrims’, a term applied to people who travel to a sacred place for religious purposes. Another interesting tidbit is that the latter two writings were both authored by Hissmir Oblates; in real life oblates are people dedicated to a religious life, but have not taken their full monastic vows. All three pieces reveal that some Argonians do indeed outright worship the Hist rather than just venerate them.
By looking at the way Argonians have behaved in past Elder Scrolls, in The Elder Scrolls Online, and IC & LoS, I am of the opinion that the traditional Argonian belief system is based around the concept of Amaranth. The saxhleel were created by the Hist, who were imported into the Dream by Anu the Godhead. Similar to how the Godhead’s influence spreads throughout his Dream, the Hist’s influence spreads throughout their creations the Argonians. The Argonians can even feel the Hist within their mind as a constant hum that only diminishes over distance, which reminds me of the concept of shakti. And while it is indeed possible for an Argonian to be born without the Hist’s influence – as described in The Strange Case of Ja-Reet – it hardly ever occurs:
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It is very rare for one of our people to be born away from the Hist. We are, in a very real way, part of the Hist. To be born away from it is to be born without something essential.
The Argonians see themselves as individuals that are a part of a greater whole, mere extensions of the Hist. Similarly, the Hist see themselves as mere extensions of the Godhead. But the Hist aren’t trying to create their own Dream, however – they came from outside the Dream, and know they are within one. If they wanted to, they could leave whenever they wanted to (it’s been long established that the Hist are exo-kalpic). They’re merely using the ‘format’ of the Dream for the Argonian mindset, resulting in the saxhleel looking at the universe as it really is without actually knowing what it is.
The Supreme Being for the Argonian people as a whole (undeniably and unknowably) is the Godhead; everything in the Dream is merely a part of him and created by him, and his influence is everywhere. This is why the Argonians, like the Hindus, appear to be very tolerant of the religions of the other races of Tamriel. To them, each pantheon is only a different way of worshipping the Godhead. For Shadowscales, Sithis is the Supreme Being. For the Hist devotees, the Hist are the Supreme Being. For the Lukiul who venture out of Black Marsh and adopt the religion of another race, the beings or being in the pantheon that pantheon is/are their Supreme Being. The Argonian Uta-Tei actually describes her desire to become a Spinner of Y’ffre and leaving her life as a Tree-Minder of the Hist fully behind her in these two dialogues:
“In Black Marsh I was a tree-minder. I tended the Hist, the great trees of our people. Here I will become a spinner, to speak with the trees of Grahtwood. I will lead my people to Y'ffre, the Wood Elf god of the forest.”
“We've always thought that without the Hist, there can be no hatchlings. But with Y'ffre's guidance, I will find a way. Think of it, Argonians native to Grahtwood to our new way of life.”
And what of the Triad of the Creator, the Preserver, and the Destroyer? Well, judging by the fact that Sithis (along with his consort-wife the Night Mother) is at least worshipped by the Shadowscales, I would say that the Triad of the Argonians (if they indeed have a Triad) would be built around Anuiel (Creator), Nirn (Preserver), and Sithis (Destroyer). Anuiel is the Creator and is the personification of the Aurbis, the totality of all things. Nirn is the Preserver, and is the personification of the Mundus, and keeps all things. Sithis is the Destroyer, and is the personification of the Void, and is the totality of nothing. Keep in mind that is just me speculating on things found in and out of game, but I do stand by this choice.
So does this mean that the Argonians have their own Enlightenment, their own Moksha? Yes, they indeed do. It is known as Ixtaxh-thtithil-meht, or “Exact-Egg-Cracking” when translated from Jel. When asked what it was, Michael Kirkbride replied it was the Hist’s version of the Nu Man, or at least how they would do it. And if this is the Hist’s version of the Nu Man, it is only natural to associate it with the saxhleel as well. While we do not know the exact steps to attain Ixtaxh-thtithil-meht, the concept fits in well with my theories. To the Argonians, the Three Worlds probably sit within an Egg (actually, in Where Were You When The Dragon Broke? it’s mentioned that some in Tamriel saw the universe become an egg and that was probably the Argonians). Therefore, “Exact-Egg-Cracking” is exactly what it sounds like – cracking out of the egg and leaving the cycle of rebirth behind through CHIM (Moksha). Ixtaxh-thtithil-meht is the ultimate escape that leads one towards Amaranth (Parabrahman).
In Terms of Reality
In The Elder Scrolls Online, the Argonians refer to the Mundus as the ‘river’. It is mentioned by many Argonian NPCs and also in-game books. In Racial Motifs 9: The Argonians, the Xanmeer Desh-Wulm tells Doctor Lupus that the dangerous game Divayth Fyr and Morian Zenas are playing for her affection is endangering all who swim the river (walk upon the Mundus):
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"You can beware!" he croaked, scaled hands emerging from the mud and levering him up on the rim of the bathtub. "Your dryskin mages—the weft unravels about them," he said, more calmly, making an unfamiliar spiral gesture above the tub. "It is wrong. The Aurbic skeins should not be disjoined with intent of malice."
I had been around wizards long enough to guess at what he meant. "Morian?" I gasped. "And Divayth? They're in danger? What can I do?"
Desh-Wulm clacked his jaws twice, and then said, "You are capable. You must stop them. You will prevail. If not," three sharp spines rose up from his brow, "there will be ill dreams and serration for all who swim the river. Kaoc!" The old Argonian suddenly began thrashing about in the tub, spilling muck over the sides. "Theilul!"
Why is it so dangerous for Divayth and Morian to use the forces of Oblivion to meddle with the Mundus? Because Mundus is the First World and Oblivion is a part of the Third World. Along with the Second World, the Three Worlds are supposed to flow equally with another in harmony. To use the forces of the Third World for the intent of pain or destruction in the First World goes against this harmony, and thus the Aurbis begins to unravel due to these machinations. One should not use the powers of either World to attempt to damage another.
In the ESO quest Enslaved in Death, the Player Character gets to speak to the spirit of Ix-Utha, an Argonian from the time before the Battle of Red Mountain when the Dunmer were still the Chimer. Not only does she reveal that the Chimer enslaved the Argonians (and is quite unsurprised that the saxhleel of today were enslaved by the Dunmer), she also says this:
“A living soul? It has been so long. To walk the river again, it is so strange. And so sad.”
When asked why she is sad, Ix-Utha will go on to say this:
“I and the other saxhleel have not returned willingly. We Argonians were slaves to the Chimer in our time, as I sense they can be today. Even in death we serve our cruel masters. Slaves to their will.”
And after being asked how she can be freed, she then releases this particular gem:
“The Chimer would not see us to Aetherius. To set their souls free on the river you will have to destroy the keepers. If you wish to do this, you will find me on the road away from here. I sense something I must see for myself.”
Throughout all of this, she refers to the river, which is Mundus. Ix-Utha states that it is sad to walk the river once again because Argonians in general believe in reincarnation; her soul is supposed to be in the Second World (Dreamsleeve; the Hist), but when the Chimers’ souls were brought back into the First World, so was hers (which is interesting, as it hints that the Chimer somehow connected their souls with the souls of their Argonian slaves). We also learn that she and her fellow slaves wish to go onwards to Aetherius, despite the fact that throughout ESO several Argonians also believe they will go to the Void (“Praise Sithis!”; “Don’t send me to Sithis!”) or the Hist (“Embrace the Hist.”).
Here’s my own speculation. If Mundus (First World) is the ‘river’ to the Argonians, then I believe that the Dreamsleeve/Hist/Waters of Oblivion (Second World) would be referred to as the ‘shore’. One swims through the river to make it to the shore, and then reenters the river only to return to the shore once again; this river to shore to river metaphor symbolizes the act of reincarnation. Aetherius/Void/Planes of Oblivion (Third World) are probably referred to as the ‘sky’ by the Argonians; once one enters them they cannot return to the Second or First World (well, usually; ‘rain’). We also learn in The Elder Scrolls Online that when someone dies their memories become ‘water’ (I can’t remember where I saw that, but there’s a screenshot floating around here somewhere). When someone dies, their soul goes on to the Second World to be recycled while their memories go on to the Third World or – for some reason – are earthbound to the First World. Because of this, Argonians (depending on their own individual beliefs and worship) can go to either afterlife; the memories of Shadowscales go to the Void, the memories of Daedra worshippers go to the Planes of Oblivion, and the memories of Aedra worshippers and non-worshippers go to Aetherius. It is also possible that ‘copies’ of all of these memories go to the Hist itself, allowing the trees to contain the combined knowledge and memories of the saxhleel as a whole. This assumption comes from two pieces of dialogue, the first from the Argonian Ah-Mudeska and the second from the Argonian Mysteries-of-Trees:
“Will Uta-Tei return to the Hist, or the graht-oaks of her new forest god? Ah. Such discussions are better with a drink in hand.”
“You've done well. Permit me to tell you a secret, behind which hides another: Any true Shadowscale is also a true child of the Hist. The Hist provides a measure of eternity, true as it also shapes the minds of our people. Think upon this.”
My “Argonians believe in the Three Worlds” theory is also supported by dialogue of Argonians in ESO as well. In the quest Giving for the Greater Good, a trio of Argonians give their souls to the land (literally in their own words “becoming one with the land”) to allow life to grow once again. The Argonian named Utadeek says this to the Player before it is his turn:
“Yes, and I am grateful. When we meet in the next world, tell me how beautiful the land became.”
The above hints that while his soul will join with Stonefalls to help heal the land, the memories of Utadeek will go on to the Third World, probably Aetherius. Also, in the quest Breaking Fort Viraak, the Argonian mystic Walks-In-Ash does something to the Player that hasn’t happened before in an Elder Scrolls game before, along with this dialogue:
“My grandsire was a powerful shaman. He passed down an ancient formula for an elixir that allows a traveler to walk in the ‘otherworld’ between the living and the dead. It works on those who've become attuned to the realms beyond.”
“Yes, drink it. Then you'll be able to go where we cannot. Of course, not all in the otherworld will welcome you. Contact with the beyond can be unpleasant, so avoid any creatures you see there. Good luck.”
After consuming the potion, the Player is then transformed into a wisp-like creature to be able to pass through the obstacles in the way of their objective. While in this state, the Player must avoid detection from the souls of this ‘otherworld’. To me, this ‘otherworld’ is in fact the Second World which the consumer of the potion is briefly using to travel across a great distance in short time. If the Dreamsleeve can be used for communication and sending messages across large distances, then isn’t it just as possible that it could also be used as ‘shortcut’ of sorts so an individual can travel large distances in a short period of time?
This also brings up the reason why the Argonians might have joined the Ebonheart Pact in the first place. At first, many people (with myself included) thought that the grouping of the Dunmer, Argonians, and the Nords together – who view each other as bitter and hated enemies – into one union was ridiculous. However, as advocated since launch, the Pact is the most “mystically attuned” of the three alliances in The Elder Scrolls Online. The Dunmer have their Living Gods, the Tribunal. The Nords have their worship of the Old Gods, and their thu’um. And of course, the Argonians have their Hist. But why would the Argonians join forces with the Northern Men and the Ash Elves, people they have had to fight with on a daily basis since times immemorial?
Well, look at what Molag Bal is trying to do – he wants to merge Nirn and Coldharbour together in the event known as the Planemeld. But if Nirn is a part of Mundus (or more like Nirn is Mundus), that means that is also the First World. In other words, Molag Bal is trying to forcibly combine the Third World (his plane of Oblivion) with the First World. This is far from just mere “unharmonious” actions between the Three Worlds; Bal is literally trying to get rid of the First World. In other words, the Planemeld is going to seriously screw up everything on a cosmic level. To the Argonians, this is something that simply cannot happened. And if that means joining with their former masters and enemies make sure it doesn’t, then that’s just what they’ll have to do.
While watching more gameplay footage (because I regret to inform you I do not have the money to afford ESO right now) I also noted that Argonians in The Elder Scrolls Online seem to be very fond of these two expressions:
“You are the sun on my scales.” – Onuja
“[Molag Bal!] May he burn in the glare of a thousand suns!” – Guildmaster Sees-All-Colors
In ESO, it is actually confirmed (at least, from a Breton perspective) that the Argonians are cold-blooded in the in-game book On Argonians:
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In studying the various races of Tamriel, I have found a few strange aberrations. Among the human-shaped, the Argonians may be the most fascinating. They are cold-blooded, in both the physiological and psychological sense, and yet they somehow manage to operate in all climes with the same resilience as mammals. Their preference for sub-tropical and tropical climates notwithstanding, to see an Argonian moving through sub-arctic or arctic regions with the same facility as their mammalian rivals is simply astounding.
While these expressions can be attributed to the Argonian’s reptilian nature and physique, I would to like go deeper into it than that. In my speculations, the Argonians probably refer to the Third World as the ‘sky’. Therefore, the use of the word ‘sun’ in these sayings are also referencing the Et’Ada (Mahadevas)/Supreme Being, who reside in the Third World. For the first phrase, it is a sign of appreciation. “You are the sun on my scales” can be taken to mean “God/The Gods have blessed me with your presence.” The latter phrase, however, is a sign of scorn and anger. “May he burn in the glare of a thousand suns!” can be taken to mean “May God/the Gods punish him for his actions!”
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