Of course, it's not the official timeline anymore, but it represents the original intent of the creators of the game, and I see no indication that the intent regarding more countries being involved in the nuclear exchanged was changed during the development process.

Anyway, Chris Avellone outright refused to answer questions about what happened to other countries, in order not to pigeonhole any future Fallout titles that might take place outside the US. But Tim Cain did say that Vatican was nuked.

intresting, a ghoul pope

In nomine Patris et Fillii et Spiritus Sancti...smoothskin.

hmmm... i think i remember something like thatabout the Vatican.

In the event of a nuclear war The British Empire would likely quickly steal as much as it could from any of her colonies then give them 'independence' and leave them to be decimated. On an isolated island the British natural instinct would be to seal off its borders and hide with as much wealth as it could get. Also, an empire is not a costly thing, if it was; the British would not have bothered to invade india etc.

An Empire can be a costly things if it is spread to far across the globe. It must be protected, have sufficient and reliable shipping lanes so produce can be transported etc Also in most cases it will be made up of many different cultures so there would be great instability and popilation to be controlled.. As well as this that will need to be defended in wartime so you would need a large navy to not only defend your home lands but those of your oversea possessions aswell as having a large military force to defend it on land. In the case of the UK, India was very profitable hence 'Jewel of the crown' as it was regarded as and why it became so much of an International suerpower and the predominant force in the 1800s. This more than made up for the cost of having to maintain an Empire.

Many of the commonwealth countries up to 1945 were already very much independant in a way. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa were all independant countries but with strong ties to Britain, I highly doubt they would just let them walk in and seize everything they could before leaving the mto die. India I believe was still under British control and didn't have its full independance yet, aswell as Britains vast African colonies. It was only after 1945 that the timeline split into the Fallout world.

Before the nuclear war actually started, USA annexed Canada and if it was still a British domain then I doubt they would just let them walk in and take it.

You'll be suprisded what some people think

The Fallout Bible simply never mentions much of what happens in the world outside of the US-China conflict. It does say that Europe and the Middle East exhausted themselves (but doesn't say destroyed) in the Resource Wars. It also does mention a limited nuclear exchange in the Middle East. The USSR is briefly mentioned, but nothing about whether they stayed neutral in the Resource Wars or not. My personal theory there is that they were overrun by the Chinese and absorbed into their empire.
But unless Bethesda decides to add to the canon, then what "actually" happened will never be known..

Be careful with the use of 'Brutal Oppression', the British Empire was more benevolent than most European Empires at the time. Certainly, there was oppression but also education, trade, a justice system which remains the blueprint for the modern democratic world (including the US), exploration, cultural exchange and even military security. I'm not saying the Empire was perfect but It wasn't the 'Evil Empire of Sadists' which is how most (American) movies portray us. The proof of this is the sheer amount of countries that remain members of the British Commonwealth which is a voluntary organisation. Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand are all members. The Republic of Ireland left of their own accord although the Irish government thought long and hard about it. Even France flirted with applying for membership in the 50's but it was rejected.

As for "Where's the money coming from to fund the troops needed for the exploitation?" (Ouch... exploitation/oppression, not the WHOLE picture, just a modern politically correct one) Britain after the war was still very rich, one of the richest in the word, the question is how the wealth is distributed. The money has always been here, otherwise we wouldn't currently be one of the strongest economies, not to mention have the second highest annual military expenditure on Earth.

To sum up, Britain did not relinquish the colonies because it was the only option left. Canada's autonomy was not sudden, it took decades, as did India's. Autonomy happened peacefully and was in the interests of the UK. As for money, as I said we had the money (The US has the highest military debt in history yet remains the only superpower). Where is the public support? The British people were hugely patriotic and pro royal after WWII, youth culture was imported from the US. It called the baby boomer generation. It was a time of unity (unlike now). Wheres the international support? I refer you to the current Commonwealth of Nations.

You do realized the Mongols stretched from northern china, siberia (which is bigger than canada) all the way to the middle east?
Top 4 empires by size
1. British
2. Mongols (Largest continuous)
3. Russians
4. Spanish

Most likely, the UK (Great Britain? England? Whatever) retained much of it's colonial empire; India probably never gained it's independence.

If it did, then those countries would have been absorbed into the European Commonwealth as a matter of course. My God, get an atlas and work out how big that MF of a nation would be!!!

Which still makes me wonder about the UK's (or EC's) reaction to the invasion of Canada. During that two hours of the Great War, I wonder if European missiles were heading East or West....?



Just to clear this up once and for all..

England - A country on the island of Great Britain, member of the United Kingdom,
Scotland - A country on the island of Great Britain, member of the United Kingdom.
Wales - A country on the island of Great Britain, member of the United Kingdom.
Northern Ireland - A country in the British Isles, member of the United Kingdom.
Republic of Ireland - In independent country in the British Isles.
Great Britain - The geographical term to describe the largest island of the British Isles, comprising of England, Scotland and Wales.
The British Isles - Geographical term describing Great Britain, Ireland (all of it) as well as the smaller islands (Channel Islands etc).
The United Kingdom - A nation made up of the countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, member of the European Union, NATO and the Commonwealth of Nations.
The European Union - A partnership of independent nations in Europe.
The European Commonwealth - A fictional Fallout nation speculating a single European superpower.
The British Empire - Once the largest Empire in the history of the planet (One third of the population were subjects of the Empire). Dissolved after WWII.
The Commonwealth of Nations - A voluntary partnership of independent, ex-Empire countries.

Not necessarily. And we don't know whether EC was really a super-state, or just a loose federation or something inbetween. It's perfectly possible that the member kept their own separate colonies.

True, but I think it's heavily suggested. Otherwise why not just call it The European Union? Also, it is stated that The 'European Commonwealth' was at war with the Middle-East, not 'the countries of Europe', again suggesting a single state as opposed to a collection of independent ones.

To emphasize the timeline divergence? And just because the EC states waged a war together doesn't mean it's a single superstate. After all, NATO also has its military operations.

Again, I agree. But it is strongly suggested that it is.

But it isnt.


Also just to chime in.
A Empire is indeed costly but it has its huge advantages.
The sheer ammount of men you can conscript into an army being one of them.

The current British Commonwealth is not a "super state"...

Who said it was? Plus technically it's not called the 'British' Commonwealth (even though I've used that term), it's actually called the Commonwealth of Nations. However, if the Commonwealth of Nations regressed back to being members of a British Empire, It WOULD most certainly be a superstate/super power.

The IMF emergency fund we got was actually in the 70s i believe when the oil crisis was hitting us.

Just checked up we received the funds in 1976

Also the state of britain wasn't THAT bad, sure it was bad, but not as bad as american historical accounts may suggest. Prosperity started happening because of the rebuilding/clearing up programmes bringing people into work that led right up to the 60s when we had a large boom. Also, Urban regeneration started to take place and new towns started to get planned and built (Milton Keyenes) etc

Okay, okay, but I thought we were going to talk about the state of the UK AFTER the bombs fell...well, at least that's what I'm going to speculate on...

I said it in another thread, that if we are to keep with the 1950s style of things, then the UK would have been under a strong Labor Party that actually adheres to and and professes Socialist values and politics. This means there would have been an incredibly strong labor movement and an easier sense of communitarian organization, along with easy equalatarian organizations of various forms of society. Like I said before, if all the Parliament was destroyed, then the only thing left would be people, many of them unionized (unlike the US) and many labor leaders and everyday people espousing democratic Marxist beliefs. I think the most likely scenario would be that Scotland and Wales are probably largely on their own, but they also have strong labor traditions, so perhaps they may be in connection with any form of society in Britain as well.

Ireland, however, I would think is now completely independent, the only alternative organization I can think of that would be able to organize a suddenly orderless Ireland is the IRA.

Pre war brittain is equally welcome. You must know where you've been to know where you're going.

Perhaps the "Admiralty" is the ruling authority of the "British Empire"....or on the other hand, the UK might have become something akin to Pre-Unification Italy?

If Fallout is the world stuck in the start of the 50's until we nuked ourself to hell in 2077, the the British is quite fun. Being in a sort of war against Ireland and living in denial of the 2nd World War being a happy cheery paradise.
Tenpenny is a pure flaw by the writes. He does not make sense unless F3 is set 20 years instead of 200 years after the war. How would he got over the ocean? Simple he immigrated after the war in Europa and survived the nuclear holocaust then got Tenpenny tower running.
Because then England and Scotland and Ireland and likely most of Europa would be worse of.

How would anybody know of the Enclaved? In F2 the people with real power(Metzger, a few of manfia families of New Reno, BoS,etc) was the only ones who knew about them.

When the Enclave are choosing to broadcast to anyone with a radio on the right frequency, how can they NOT know?