edit: My friend actually didn't say they were in the files. Just that they were allowed in the legion, but not many are shown.

Brace yourself Colonel!

Raiders have equal gender roles too. I guess that makes them a good faction.

Aside from the ridiculousness of the gender point, I can see how the SC may have been the only option at first. Thee are even some cut dialogue that really vilifies the Legion. But perhaps at the last minute, they decide to make the Legion join-able because of all the complaints before about their games being too one-sided for an RPG.

Well one can argue that its rather obvious that raiders are bad, so there's no reason to keep women out of their group. But I did admit the theory was reaching.

The dialogue removed is a good point though, like Tullius saying he understood why Ulfric did what he was doing, or something to that effect.

And Thalmor

The gender point does have some real life connections when you think about it.

Germanic cultures which the Nords are based off of have historically held women in equal regards with men. While with the Romans whom the Imperials are based off of, Women's right = with a few exceptions

Good point, but they too are obvious baddies. Why else did the devs keep from adding the women?

I was actually thinking of this, see: Bugs.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Bjartur

Though, to be fair, it said that it was developer oversights rather than it being deliberate. 11/11/11 blah, blah.

Though the Imperial Legion is supposed to have women. They just aren't there for some reason.

Their actual dialogues are very bugged. I've spawned them. It's likely 11/11/11 nonsense.

Indeed, why purposefully have SCs with more women? Some people probably would see the side with more women to be good. But another point is maybe they did this to counter legion diversity of having nords and imps. They get more racial diversity, and the SCs get more gender diversity to balance it out to the consumer subconsciously.

Well Oblivion had voice files for female guards, but there were none in the game (With one exception in Leyawiin IIRC, related to a Dark Brotherhood quest). They do strange things

Hmm now that I recall there were a lot of Females in the legion back in Morrowind. Alright guess my connection doesn't apply.

If stormcloaks were the only side you could join it sure would have made the after game canon a bit more solid that's for sure.

Oh yea, I do remember her.

But not nearly as interesting to talk about though. I like all this controversy and dead horse beating, lol.

Geez-us CKB... You are opening a can of worms and let me ask you this... HAVE YOU TRIED BEING NEUTRAL ON THIS MATTER OR YOU THAT GUNG-HO OF BRINGING THE EMPIRE DOWN!?

I am only slightly towards the Empire, but my God bro, chill out on the Empire bashing topics you have created.

*Valuable lesson from a Bethesda sponsored game DLC, LET IT GO... listen to Vera's message [if you have played FO:NV that is]*

I did my best to admit my bias. What more do you want? I tried arguing in favor of the Empire and came up with nothing. I won't lie to myself in favor of appeasing anyone.

And that isn't what this discussion is about anyway. Just because the devs may or may not lean one way or another doesn't prove anything about the cause.

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I also almost never make cw threads. I usually just participate in them. I made one a few weeks ago for the first time in a loooooong time.

He said himself that it's a wild theory. It's just something he noted. No one is bashing.

Obviously you have not seen his other topics on the matter/stance. I like the dude, but he is stirring the pot too damn much. CW is beaten down to the death on this matter and (damn him for siding that extinct fossil of a user name)... "Eat me Alduin!"

Like I said, I don't make lots of topics. The last one I made was this:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1469687-imperial-supporters-help-a-stormcloak-understand/#entry22918846

Search my topics, I don't make that many of them. Go in contents and click topics only. There's a handful unless you count my roleplay, lol.

Oh forgive me, but recently you made a "convince me for supporting a Legion" topic; on top of you how post in the general CW threads. We get it, you SC sided, but enough on the subject already! I consider a bro as a poster, but man enough with the CW for a months at least.

*Alduin has not eaten me, where is that damn Dragon Priest to make it happen!?*

Considering that there's evidence of a split-path main quest (at least until "Dragon Rising" was complete), and that the Legion's quests are always "QuestIDA" and the Stormcloak quests are always "QuestIDB", that there were always plans to have both factions joinable.


"I often quote myself; I find it adds spice to my conversations." -- George Bernard Shaw

I know, thats the thread in the link I provided But as I said, that isn't what this is about.

Sign here, here, and here... And here...

Alduin will be with you shortly. Praise be.