Did Delphine and Esbern....

Post » Sun May 18, 2014 2:57 pm

Delphine is old too so it doesn't matter :confused:

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Nina Mccormick
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 10:22 pm

Other than the fact that they probably can't have children, no there's nothing wrong. (Delphine must be far into menopause by now)

It's just that most people find it really unlikely.

The games' setting is very anachronistic compared to the real world. It has elements from various cultures from time periods including (but not limited to) the middle ages, the Renaissance, Colonial America, Antiquity, etc. It kinda grinds my gears when someone tries to use the "back then" thing as Aurora mentioned.

You may be right about the "pedo law" though. One of the books mentions Potema getting married to a king at age 12, though I wonder if the same can be said of peasant girls. Especially more that 200 years later since the time she was alive. We don't really have much to support either case at the time. Which is dumb considering this game does have children and there's no mention of schools or any such thing. Then again, this is Skyrim and, well, "Alduin Ent Akatosh."

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 4:31 pm


Considering she's in the mid-fifties - hardly. That train most likely left the station a few years ago.

(Personally, I have no problem with the idea that two elderly persons get together, hey, that happens, you know, but I still see nothing really indicating that there's some spark between Esbern and Delphine.)
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Sabrina Schwarz
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 3:15 pm


Just ask Igmunds uncle about his Stallion potion....
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Dalton Greynolds
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 10:12 pm

The Blades are a monastic order, which means vows of celibacy. I'm sure agents have waived the rules in the past, but Delphine and Esbern would clearly be the type to not. Other than that, Delphine is too old to bear children now anyway I think, she's in her mid 50's right?

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Joey Bel
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 9:33 am


Keep in mind she is a Breton though and because of their partial mer ancestry, Breton live a lot longer than other humans.
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James Baldwin
 
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Post » Mon May 19, 2014 12:15 am

I don't think that's actually lore. They may have mer blood, but they're still human. There was a line about a half dunmer breton child, I forgot whose child he was, but they said he died early at the age of 80 I believe, because he "aged like a breton". It wasn't barenziah. It was the Dunmer Empress.

edit: Katariah was the mother.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Katariah

It says her son was middle aged, so he was at least 50 when he took the throne and 52 when he died.

Emperor Cassynder (?b - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Third_Era#3E_202)

When Cassynder became Emperor at the death of his mother, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Katariah, in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Third_Era#3E_200,http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-TTET-7 he was already middle-aged.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-BHOTE2-8 Only half-elven, he aged like a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Breton (like his father, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pelagius_Septim_III).http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-BHOTE2-8http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-TMOP-9http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-Skyrim-10 In fact, he had left the rule of Wayrest to his half-brother Uriel due to poor health. Nevertheless, as the only true blood relation of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pelagius_Septim, and thus http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim, he was pressed into accepting the throne. His rule was a short as he died after only two years on the throne in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Third_Era#3E_202 which was assumed by his half-brother, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Uriel_Septim_IV.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cassynder#cite_note-BHOTE2-8

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Post » Mon May 19, 2014 12:03 am

We're old sonny, We ain't DEAD!!! :stare:

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 2:21 pm

I burnt my eyes and slapped my brain reading through the possible fan fiction ships.

I'll leave this thread now
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 12:30 pm

Delphine and Esbern are not blades. Jauffre and Baurus were proper blades.
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 4:43 pm


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Trista Jim
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 9:48 pm

They have not always been as old as they are today.

Who knows, perhaps they have at some point been able to productively combine their skills, knowledge, and assets, to bring about a certain Dragonborn. Probably not a bad project for the last remaining Blades.

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Joey Bel
 
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 11:48 pm

You're kidding right? Both Delphine and Esbern were active Blades before the disintegration, Delphine still dons the ceremonial Akavir armor.

You could argue instead that None of those four were proper Blades, and that the real Blades were the super-spies like Caius Cossades. I'm sure he had his way with every gal in Balmora

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 10:56 pm

what I meant is they are a disgrace to the blades. They say they serve the dragonborn. No! they served the dragonborn Emperors. They want to use the dragonborn to kill all the dragons and they claim they serve him/her. They are nothing like the blades from 200 years ago. I know they were active blades before the GW but they are nothing now. They may have been blades years ago but they are not Blades now.
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 1:29 pm

If anything, they're [Skyrim's] more similar to the Original Blades, the Akaviri Dragonguard than the Blades of the Septims. I'm not sure what your reference is for "True Blades"... The Original were Dragonslayers from Akavir who had chased the Dragons from their continent to Tamriel. However, the Blades we're familiar with have literally changed every meeting. From Spies, to bodyguards, to little more than bandits in fancy dress.

I personally preferred my Blades to be of the Caius Cossades variety... I couldn't stand the ones in Oblivion, and hate the Skyrim Blades even more.

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 7:59 am

When have the Blades ever not been a disgrace? In Morrowind our main contact with The Blades was a drug addict who got himself recalled to Cyrodiil. In Oblivion The Blades were bumbling, inept buffoons. They failed in the one task assigned to them: protect the Emperor. The Blades are the Keystone Kops of the Elder Scrolls universe.

I may disagree with Delphine but I certainly have more respect for her than I have for any member of the Blades in any of the other games. At least Delphine and Esbern, it can be argued, are somewhat competent, which is more than I can say for The Blades in Morrowind and Oblivion. Of all the various incarnations of the Blades in these games Skyrim's Blades are by far my favorite.

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 9:19 pm

Skyrim's blades are just Criminal Scum compared to the others. That's why I say they aren't proper blades. :)
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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 10:05 am

I agree with Pseron Wyrd, i like Skyrim Blades, although they are only Esbern and Delphine. I think Skyrim Blades have more clear motivation, active, dynamic, and bad ass. Like Delphine said that the Dragonborn appearance make her remember what is the purpose of being The Blades. Esbern want to get out from seclusion when Dragonborn seek him. The Dragonborn bring new hope, motive and future to them. Whatever they are believe in being "The Blades", i respect them. They did set a path to the Dragonborn to learn more about being a Dragonborn while Greybeards let Dragonborn lost with no purpose and no answers.

Anyway, if Esbern and Delphine did have romantic feeling with each other and settle down, well, they are alone in Skyrim...and they can build the Blades like whatever they want. The Jedi originally cannot get married, but Luke Skywalker change it with the new order. Being the last have it's advantage isn't it?

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 11:46 pm

they may not have the most agreeable personalities, but yes they are proper Blades.. they follow the teachings of the Akaviri Dragonguard, of which they were founded.. they are fulfilling their orders ancient duty and mandate..


If anything, its Oblivions Blades that were not proper.. they are supposed to be some of the best warriors in Tamriel, yet they are over powered by a handful Cultists some random Prisoner was able to beat with nothing but some rusted armor and weapons... they were supposed to Protect Martin, and yet only two of them walk 20 yards from Cloud Ruler to protect him during the Battle of Bruma..

If anything, its those blades that were neglecting their duty, no Delphine and Esbern

I agree, in lore we often hear about the Blades skill in espionage, and Morrowinds Blades and the Agent from Daggerfall captured this the best IMO

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 3:00 pm

Not really.

I'm almost certain there's something between Irileth and Balgruuf, though.

They don't.

The Akaviri did serve the Dragonborn, while Delphine believes to be in a position to give you direct orders like "He needs to die, and it falls to you to kill him."

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 2:49 pm

thats because its how TES games work.. you need someone to give you orders to progress the story..

Companions have Aela and Kodlak
Thieves Guild has Delvin, brynjolf, Karliah, Mercer, Maven
Dark brotherhood has Astrid and the Night Mother
Dawnguard has Isran
Volkihar has Harkon

she tells you what to do because its the way a storyline advances..


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and actually, only the LDB can kill Paarth. he is on top of the Throat of the world.. to get their you need to get past the gates of High Hrothgar, and I doubt the Greybeards would give Dragonslayers access to that part of the mountain.

even if the blades did manage to get past the gate at High Hrothgar, they wouldn't be able to make it up further because they don't have access to "Clear skies", so they would die before they reached the Summit

it is believed Paarth will not be able to keep his dominating nature dormant for awhile, and a relapse would be leathal to Tamriel (he is one of the more powerful dragons). the the LDB does not take him out, no one will be able to




anyways, you may not like their character, personalities, beliefs, etc. but they are fulfilling their duty.

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 10:02 pm

Plus, one of the dossiers in the Thalmor Embassy claimed Delphine is in her mid 50s, so realistically they would have to adopt.

Delphine is in her mid 50s, and Esbern is in his late 70s, according to the Thalmor dossiers. There is a 20 to 25 year gap in age between them, so yes, he is old enough to be her father.

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 11:00 am

While I am not neccesary agreeing with the this whole impling that he is unable to control his nature, I would be really happy if in the next game there was rummor that some dragon flew from High hrothgar and tried to conquere people, for the record I none of my character killed him.

Also personally I don't think that Blades where badly made fraction in games , in fact reverse would be better and that greybeards could use some fixing.

Blades offer reasons to like them and to hate them, while greybeards are presented only as super nice guys. I really think that in MQ there should be moment when something really bad happens because greybeards and Paathuranax refuse to take action , I don't know maybe the some town being destroyed by alduin and his dragons. Really just some reason for why greybeards option isn't the perfect choice.

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 11:34 pm

I don't see Greybeards as super nice guys, i see them as not sincere with the Dragonborn, really.

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After the initiation, they leave me with a lot of questions they never want to answer. So now i am a Dragonborn, so what? Nothing...they claim they want to guide me, but they didn't, they don't even tell me the prophecy. When the Blades show the Dragonborn what it mean to be a Dragonborn, they berated the Dragonborn, the Dragonborn have no fault to be treated like that. Yes, they finally let the Dragonborn meet with Paarthunax, but they never mention he is actually A DRAGON. So that's it, after that meeting all my characters never trust the Greybeards. Paarthunax telling things, but it is not the answer i seek. There is no reason for me to trust any of them. While the Blades show me the way, the path and destiny, the meaning of being a Dragonborn, they even share me the secrets they know. They tell me who Paarthunax really is. Did Paarthunax tell you about it before the Blades? No, he don't tell you. No one tell you but the Blades. So no, Greybeards may appear peaceful and nice, but they are not, they always have something to hide from you. Who know that they are actually serving a Dragon like the old days? Like the Dragonpriests, only the politic now is different, before it was Alduin, now it's Paarthunax. I have played both ending, side with Greybeards really make me regret with Odahving dialogue....

The Blades respect Greybeards, but Greybeards don't respect the Blades, you can see that in Season Unending

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Post » Sun May 18, 2014 6:20 pm

i dont think its possible

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