If I were the Salesmen, I would of made sure I had a place in one of the vaults.

No they weren't, in-fact I specifically didn't include any of the two known Control Vaults but all of the other know, actual experiments. They just had experiments that weren't designed to kill everyone.


Are these terminal entries actually in the game or are they from games that were never released?



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I think Vault-Tech is bad enough as the Murder-Hobo Science Division of the Enclave.

They're just catspaws for the Enclave.

So yeah, in a way, they did start the war but it was the Enclave who pushed the button.

For what possible reason would the United States launch a nuclear attack against an enemy that they were beating in a land-war?

Well, obviously, they were being shot at by nuclear weapons themselves.

They still retaliated for the sole purpose of revenge.

The thing is, the Enclave had already decided they could survive on another planet (not COMPLETELY ridiculous in Fallout because Vaults are airtight and they have nuclear rockets which work perfectly so colonizing Mars is entirely possible--even without a tireless army of robot workers who don't need air or environmental protection) so they didn't worry about antagonizing the Chinese into a corner.

Ah right. I thought you said that they fired first.


I'd say that's of dubious canonicity, well personally I'd say none. As far as I am aware the Bible is not a canon document.

There's a Boston Bugle article about it being a theory as to where the President and his supporters have gone to. That they and a mysterious group called "The Enclave" are preparing to leave for space.

I've only seen this:

"The President has been leading our country from a Poseidon Energy oil rig just off the coast of San Fransisco.

It's certainly an odd choice for a Presidential command center. Or is it? Not as much as it may seem, as our investigation discovered. Thanks to the testimony of a highly-placed anonymous source, the Boston Bugle has learned that the official designation for the oil rig is actually "Control Station Enclave" - giving credence to the long running rumours of a secret, militarised "shadow government", known as the Enclave, that would take control of the United States in the event of a nuclear conflagration."

The Enclave was the pre-war United States designated CoG, Continuity of Government, pre-selected officials that evacuate to pre-selected locations to serve as the administration of the United States after a debilitating event that threatens the structure of the government.

So you are trying to hide behind rules now? Seriously? Wow what a big man you must be. If you are gonna start crap in a forum such as this, then expect to be called out on it.

Well I actually did quote something else you said in that post, something about asking what these terminal entries you mentioned were but you just ignored that, again, as-usual. Wasn't aware that in a speculative topic actually asking for quotes or specific sources was "starting crap". I can't just take your "play the game" or "read the wiki" argument because you have provided a source before and it was completely wrong from a game that doesn't exist. Remember?

Or maybe just being "rude, an idiot, a troll, a [censored], disrepectful, that I need to feel smart and that I think I know everything; because your the "big man" here clearly and your the one adding to the discussion.


We know that Todd Peterson is from a game that was never made, says so on the wiki we read. Admittedly not in the game we played though, because it was never made.

Yes and I love how you always rip apart people's replies and think it makes you look cool.

So which terminal entry did you derive this information from? The wiki put it under the "Vault" page and regards it as part of Van Buren.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here. "The Enclave" hasn't done anything to warrant being called a troll.

What ever happened to the executives who planned all of this? They had all of these vaults to perform their social experiments but you never hear anything about them when you visit the vaults. Its like they were killed in the war and never had a chance to view the results of their handiwork.

All the data was supposed to be sent to the Enclave Oil Rig, but the war knocked out communications, and prevented them from getting the data, so it was all pointless.

OK
#1 vault tec built all these vaults in dumb locations because they thought no one would ever use them

#2 the time he was talking to you he could have just been nervous that you would yell at him and shut the door and he was talking about preparing for total nuclear anyolation while he was not invited to the vault he was signing you up for which would also make you nervous

#3 we only know china attacked us, their has been no indication we retaliated or attacked them first.

#4 it would make no financial sense for a company to start a nuclear war, nobody using the vaults is paying the company for them while if the war never happened they would probably get paid for it by taxes if its nonprofit.

#5 you can talk to the salesman later in Goodneighbor and he never tells you that "this was all Vaultec's fault" why would he keep a secret for the company that turned him into a goul for 210 years?

Or the Enclave used governmental access codes because they are the remnants of the United States government and would therefore have those codes in their records. You notice how the Enclave is lead by the President of the United States and often refers to itself as the United States of America (President Richardson never calls themselves "the Enclave"), it's because they are the continuation of the United States government. Like they don't just do that for the sake of it, they do that because they are the United States of America. The government of the United States went to the Oil Rig and continued to exist, they just call themselves the Enclave sometimes but they are the exact same organisation/country.

I think I need to know what exactly you think that the pre-war Enclave was. Because I do agree that the Enclave "existed" before the war but not as an actual organisation, merely the as the foundations of what would become the Enclave after the war. That the Enclave was the a plan to evacuate senior personnel to survive the Great War, but that's all I think it was.


Anyone can quote a paragraph from a wiki. Where does that information come from? It doesn't have a citation mark after it like the rest of the paragraphs do meaning that it's just somebodies opinion. Not an actual quote from the game. Not the words spoken by any character in-game or any log or terminal entry.


You really need to stop quoting Fallout Van Buren, it was never made as a game. Check the citations of what you are posting.


I don't really play Elder Scrolls. And seriously how is me disagreeing with you tearing down Fallout? I'm not entirely sure why feel the need to assume something so absurd. How is you not knowing your posting information from a cancelled game, and me pointing that out, "tearing" down a game.

It suits me just fine thank you.

A little bit of American History: MacArthur after WW2 became the ranking military officer during the Korean Conflict. When the Red Chinese sent their 1 million "volunteers" into Korea, MacArthur loudly argued it was time to "nuke the bastards". (For which Truman sacked MacArthur.) Had MacArthur had his way, AND Red China had nukes of their own, what would have happened after the first USA launch? Once ANYONE launches a nuke, EVERYONE realizes it's time for "Use them or lose them." (What the heck? The world is about to end anyway. We might as well make sure that our own mortal enemy gets to Heck before we do!")

[I have to wonder what kind of tectonic upheaval there would be if there were literally thousands of 10+ megaton explosions all around the globe in just a matter of several hours. Accelerated continental drift? A swarm of worldwide tsunamis? (In which case, pretty much all of Metro Boston should be submerged for at least several decades after the war.) Atlases would ALL become obsolete as ALL continental coastlines were altered and mountains -- particularly Cheyenne Mountain -- disappeared.]

To be fair, that was before China had detonated their first successful nuclear bomb.

I don't think MacArthur would have been stupid enough to suggest that if China had their own massive stockpile.

China tested their first nuclear weapon in 64. The only reason we didn't use them in the Korean Conflict is because Truman was more concerned about his image on using those weapons again on an Asian country.

Please remember that it is important that everyone in the game was thinking the same thoughts.

This is why scrapping half a pound of tin cans gets you two pounds of steel. That only works when everyone thinks the same thoughts.

"I think I can. I think I can. I think I can...."