Dirty References in 'Atmospheric Balmora' : III

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:27 pm

I run my load orders through mlox and never saw any indication of this mod having dirty references. With that said, I really don't know the first thing about removing references. I know how to check, but I wouldn't know a dirty reference from a clean one. Rather than trying to guess at it, I was hoping someone might have already been through this.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:50 pm

Well, mlox is mosly likely to complain about GMSTs, if it knows about them, but it hasn't been taught about all mods, so it might not warn you at all.

http://code.google.com/p/mlox/wiki/Tes3cmd is a program I wrote (still under development) that will not only tell you what dirt is in a plugin, but will clean it too. The command:

tes3cmd clean "Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP"

Results in:

Spoiler

CLEANING: "Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP" ...Loading Master: morrowind.esm Cleaned duplicate record (REPA): hammer_repair Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_ivy_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_grass_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_ivy_02 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_heather_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_bush_01 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_gold_kanet_01 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_stoneflower_01 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_willow_flower_01 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): com_chest_01 Cleaned duplicate record (LIGH): light_com_candle_04 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_bucket_01 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_silverware_fork Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_silverware_knife Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_silverware_spoon Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_b_05 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_metal_plate_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_steps_03 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_dsteps_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_canol_12 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_canol_13 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_tree_wg_01 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_bottle_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_com_lantern_hook_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_tree_wg_05 Cleaned duplicate record (WEAP): chitin dagger Cleaned duplicate record (WEAP): chitin shortsword Cleaned duplicate record (WEAP): chitin war axe Cleaned duplicate record (WEAP): chitin throwing star Cleaned duplicate record (WEAP): iron dagger Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_05 Cleaned duplicate record (ARMO): steel_helm Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_14 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_16 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): terrain_rock_wg_18 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_cyro_whiskey_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_comberry_wine_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_cyro_brandy_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_comberry_brandy_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_local_brew_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ALCH): potion_local_liquor_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_marshmerrow_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_crab_meat_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_black_anther_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_black_lichen_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_chokeweed_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_gold_kanet_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_green_lichen_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_heather_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_hound_meat_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_red_lichen_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_stoneflower_petals_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_willow_anther_01 Cleaned duplicate record (APPA): apparatus_a_mortar_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_t_awning_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_bridge_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_r_chair_03 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_com_torch_ring_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rug_big_05 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rug_big_06 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_tree_ai_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_overhang_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_overhang_05 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_r_wallscreen_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rope1_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_cushion_round_01 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_de_bellows10 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_redware_flask Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_redware_pitcher Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_redware_plate Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_redware_platter Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_com_redware_vase Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_overhang_09 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_overhang_18 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_com_rm_barstool Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_com_rm_winerack Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_wall_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_buttress_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_hlaalu_bal_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_de_shack_awning_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_de_shack_plank_01 Cleaned duplicate record (ACTI): active_de_bed_29 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rope_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_de_shack_awning_06 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_kreshweed_01 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_stoneflower_02 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_gold_kanet_02 Cleaned duplicate record (CONT): flora_willow_flower_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_vivec_g_02 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_grass_01 Cleaned duplicate record (MISC): misc_de_lute_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_bread_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_russula_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_bc_fern_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_bc_grass_01 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_bc_bungler's_bane Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_bc_coda_flower Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_bc_lilypad Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): flora_bc_lilypad_03 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): ex_v_vivecstatue_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_planter_01 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_planter_03 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_planter_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_cushion_round_04 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rug_big_03 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_rope_06 Cleaned duplicate record (INGR): ingred_treated_bittergreen_uniq Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_railing_06 Cleaned duplicate record (STAT): furn_de_firepit_01 Cleaned junk-CELL: west gash region (-2, -1) Cleaned duplicate object instance (dralcea arethi FRMR: 41612) from CELL: balmora (-2, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_17 FRMR: 32631) from CELL: balmora (-2, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_10 FRMR: 41129) from CELL: balmora (-2, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_velothi_temple_01 FRMR: 34013) from CELL: west gash region (-3, -1) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_08 FRMR: 17583) from CELL: west gash region (-3, -1) Cleaned duplicate object instance (dralosa athren FRMR: 41611) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (TempleMarker FRMR: 8591) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_27 FRMR: 7015) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_04 FRMR: 17721) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_28 FRMR: 22547) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_15 FRMR: 22563) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_13 FRMR: 24020) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_17 FRMR: 32644) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_09 FRMR: 32694) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_01 FRMR: 32791) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (hlaalu_loaddoor_ 02 FRMR: 32796) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (hlaalu_loaddoor_ 02 FRMR: 32816) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (hlaal_loaddoor_01 FRMR: 32821) from CELL: balmora (-3, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_04 FRMR: 32839) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_01 FRMR: 32840) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_04 FRMR: 32841) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_01 FRMR: 32843) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_16 FRMR: 32849) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_wall_01 FRMR: 32863) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_wall_01 FRMR: 32864) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_canol_01 FRMR: 32875) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_17 FRMR: 32898) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_bridge_01 FRMR: 32927) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_wall_gate_03 FRMR: 41167) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_17 FRMR: 43393) from CELL: balmora (-3, -3) Cleaned duplicate object instance (hlaalu guard_outside FRMR: 35505) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_12 FRMR: 22604) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_02 FRMR: 32931) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_10 FRMR: 32933) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_b_24 FRMR: 32939) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_17 FRMR: 32963) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_buttress_03 FRMR: 32989) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (terrain_rock_wg_17 FRMR: 34118) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_hlaalu_steps_06 FRMR: 34119) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (flora_tree_wg_05 FRMR: 43561) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (flora_root_wg_05 FRMR: 43562) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned duplicate object instance (furn_bannerd_clothing_01_hastie FRMR: 32937) from CELL: balmora (-4, -2) Cleaned redundant AMBI,WHGT from CELL: balmora, south wall cornerclub Cleaned duplicate object instance (in_velothismall_ndoor_01 FRMR: 46777) from CELL: balmora, temple Cleaned redundant AMBI,WHGT from CELL: balmora, templeOutput saved in: "Clean_Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP"Original unaltered: "Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP"Cleaning Stats for "Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP":       duplicate object instance:    43                duplicate record:   111                       junk-CELL:     1             redundant CELL.AMBI:     2             redundant CELL.WHGT:     2

Not very "Clean", but it's mostly harmless stuff.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:03 pm

I just downloaded it and had a look. What a mess! This could really do with a good clean. If you know how to check and hopefully remove references you basically need to clean out all the vanilla statics, containers and items. All you really need to leave is the cells and NPC references. Everything else is dirty edits.

EDIT: ninja'd, but there are no GMSTs.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:42 pm

So was that spoiler a list of the references I should remove?

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:28 pm

So was that spoiler a list of the references I should remove?

Those are things that could be called "dirty edits", that should be able to be safely removed. tes3cmd can do them all at once automatically, as shown by the command line I posted above, or you can load the plugin into one of the many plugin editors and remove that junk by hand.

Or you can just play with it as is. The only problem it might cause is if some other plugin changes one of those items intentionally, and you load atmospheric balmora later in your load order, then it will have the effect of reverting the item. This is often not a big deal, you probably wouldn't even notice unless you are a stickler for detail. But it occasionally make a difference, and some people are sticklers for detail.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:39 pm

Those are things that could be called "dirty edits", that should be able to be safely removed. tes3cmd can do them all at once automatically, as shown by the command line I posted above, or you can load the plugin into one of the many plugin editors and remove that junk by hand.

Or you can just play with it as is. The only problem it might cause is if some other plugin changes one of those items intentionally, and you load atmospheric balmora later in your load order, then it will have the effect of reverting the item. This is often not a big deal, you probably wouldn't even notice unless you are a stickler for detail. But it occasionally make a difference, and some people are sticklers for detail.

I just like being sure that all the mods I use are nice and clean. I do it for every mod I make (although I haven't released any yet) and it may also decrease loading times.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:35 pm

One thing I forgot to mention that might apply here is concerning PL's Creatures x mod. It places a bunch of creature 'boxes' ( I think they were called), which are basically spawning points. Rather than have bugs and rats crawling all over Balmora like my last game, I decided to remove these spawning points. Could this be the reason for the dirty references?

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:34 am

One thing I forgot to mention that might apply here is concerning PL's Creatures x mod. It places a bunch of creature 'boxes' ( I think they were called), which are basically spawning points. Rather than have bugs and rats crawling all over Balmora like my last game, I decided to remove these spawning points. Could this be the reason for the dirty references?

No, because the original file is dirty as well. And deleting stuff wouldn't create references.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:54 pm

Ok. I'm trying to use tes3cmd (the .exe standalone version). I've placed it in my Data Files foilder. I have Windows 7 and mayeb i'm not the most pc savvy person out there. There is no Run option in Start, or at least i'm not sure how to access it. Any help?

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:12 pm

Ok. I'm trying to use tes3cmd (the .exe standalone version). I've placed it in my Data Files foilder. I have Windows 7 and mayeb i'm not the most pc savvy person out there. There is no Run option in Start, or at least i'm not sure how to access it. Any help?

I don't have Win 7, so I can't help you out.

If you don't know how to use the Windows command line, then my suggestion is to use one of the other utilities that can edit plugins.

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:10 am

Weird, I definitely ran that plugin through TESTool and cleaned it before I uploaded it. I guess I'll try again.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:25 pm

It is weird. As I mentioned before, i've used AB a few times with no indication of dirty references. I also ran it through TESTool. I wasn't quite sure how to activate just that mod, so I unchecked everything in TESTool as well as Wrye Mash. I still have a way to go before all my mods are in place for a new game, so i'll keep my eyes open if anything comes up. Saint_Jiub, if you could let me know what you find, that would be great. Thanks.

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:16 am

I see 7 dirty references:
barrel_01
chest_small_01
furn_bannered_alchemy_01
chitin short bow
chitin arrow
dark_768
orange_fire_256_f

And TESTool removes the following Junk: (basically the same stuff that john shows tes3cmd removing)

Spoiler

File: Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP
==============================
deleted REPA hammer_repair
deleted STAT flora_ivy_01
deleted STAT flora_grass_02
deleted STAT flora_ivy_02
deleted CONT flora_heather_01
deleted STAT flora_bush_01
deleted CONT flora_gold_kanet_01
deleted CONT flora_stoneflower_01
deleted CONT flora_willow_flower_01
deleted CONT com_chest_01
deleted LIGH light_com_candle_04
deleted MISC misc_com_bucket_01
deleted MISC misc_com_silverware_fork
deleted MISC misc_com_silverware_knife
deleted MISC misc_com_silverware_spoon
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_b_05
deleted MISC misc_com_metal_plate_04
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_steps_03
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_dsteps_01
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_canol_12
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_canol_13
deleted STAT flora_tree_wg_01
deleted MISC misc_com_bottle_01
deleted STAT furn_com_lantern_hook_02
deleted STAT flora_tree_wg_05
deleted WEAP chitin dagger
deleted WEAP chitin shortsword
deleted WEAP chitin war axe
deleted WEAP chitin throwing star
deleted WEAP iron dagger
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_01
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_04
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_05
deleted ARMO steel_helm
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_14
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_16
deleted STAT terrain_rock_wg_18
deleted ALCH Potion_Cyro_Whiskey_01
deleted ALCH potion_comberry_wine_01
deleted ALCH potion_cyro_brandy_01
deleted ALCH potion_comberry_brandy_01
deleted ALCH Potion_Local_Brew_01
deleted ALCH potion_local_liquor_01
deleted INGR ingred_marshmerrow_01
deleted INGR ingred_crab_meat_01
deleted INGR ingred_black_anther_01
deleted INGR ingred_black_lichen_01
deleted INGR ingred_chokeweed_01
deleted INGR ingred_gold_kanet_01
deleted INGR ingred_green_lichen_01
deleted INGR ingred_heather_01
deleted INGR ingred_hound_meat_01
deleted INGR ingred_red_lichen_01
deleted INGR ingred_stoneflower_petals_01
deleted INGR ingred_willow_anther_01
deleted APPA apparatus_a_mortar_01
deleted STAT ex_t_awning_02
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_bridge_04
deleted STAT furn_de_r_chair_03
deleted STAT furn_com_torch_ring_01
deleted STAT furn_de_rug_big_05
deleted STAT furn_de_rug_big_06
deleted STAT flora_tree_ai_02
deleted STAT furn_de_overhang_02
deleted STAT furn_de_overhang_05
deleted STAT furn_de_r_wallscreen_01
deleted STAT furn_de_rope1_01
deleted STAT furn_de_cushion_round_01
deleted MISC misc_de_bellows10
deleted MISC misc_com_redware_flask
deleted MISC misc_com_redware_pitcher
deleted MISC misc_com_redware_plate
deleted MISC misc_com_redware_platter
deleted MISC misc_com_redware_vase
deleted STAT furn_de_overhang_09
deleted STAT furn_de_overhang_18
deleted STAT furn_com_rm_barstool
deleted STAT furn_com_rm_winerack
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_wall_01
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_buttress_04
deleted STAT ex_hlaalu_bal_02
deleted STAT ex_de_shack_awning_02
deleted STAT ex_de_shack_plank_01
deleted ACTI active_de_bed_29
deleted STAT furn_de_rope_04
deleted STAT ex_de_shack_awning_06
deleted CONT flora_kreshweed_01
deleted CONT flora_stoneflower_02
deleted CONT flora_gold_kanet_02
deleted CONT flora_willow_flower_02
deleted STAT ex_vivec_g_02
deleted STAT flora_grass_01
deleted MISC misc_de_lute_01
deleted INGR ingred_bread_01
deleted INGR ingred_russula_01
deleted STAT flora_bc_fern_04
deleted STAT flora_bc_grass_01
deleted INGR ingred_bc_bungler's_bane
deleted INGR ingred_bc_coda_flower
deleted STAT Flora_BC_Lilypad
deleted STAT flora_bc_lilypad_03
deleted STAT ex_v_vivecstatue_01
deleted STAT furn_planter_01
deleted STAT furn_planter_03
deleted STAT furn_planter_04
deleted STAT furn_de_cushion_round_04
deleted STAT Furn_de_rug_big_03
deleted STAT Furn_De_Rope_06
deleted INGR ingred_treated_bittergreen_uniq
deleted STAT Furn_De_Railing_06
deleted STAT Furn_De_Firepit_01
CELL -2 -1, West Gash Region
deleted CELL -2 -1, West Gash Region ; empty cell
CELL -2 -2, Balmora
deleted FRMR 32631, ex_hlaalu_b_17
deleted FRMR 41129, ex_hlaalu_b_10
CELL -3 1, West Gash Region
CELL -3 -1, West Gash Region
deleted FRMR 34013, ex_velothi_temple_01
CELL -3 -2, Balmora
deleted FRMR 41611, dralosa athren
deleted FRMR 7015, ex_hlaalu_b_27
deleted FRMR 17721, ex_hlaalu_bridge_04
deleted FRMR 22547, ex_hlaalu_b_28
deleted FRMR 22563, ex_hlaalu_b_15
deleted FRMR 24020, ex_hlaalu_b_13
deleted FRMR 32644, ex_hlaalu_b_17
deleted FRMR 32694, ex_hlaalu_b_09
deleted FRMR 32791, ex_hlaalu_bridge_01
deleted FRMR 32796, hlaalu_loaddoor_ 02
deleted FRMR 32816, hlaalu_loaddoor_ 02
CELL -3 -3, Balmora
deleted FRMR 32839, ex_hlaalu_bridge_04
deleted FRMR 32840, ex_hlaalu_bridge_01
deleted FRMR 32841, ex_hlaalu_bridge_04
deleted FRMR 32843, ex_hlaalu_bridge_01
deleted FRMR 32849, terrain_rock_wg_16
deleted FRMR 32863, ex_hlaalu_wall_01
deleted FRMR 32864, ex_hlaalu_wall_01
deleted FRMR 32875, ex_hlaalu_canol_01
deleted FRMR 32898, terrain_rock_wg_17
deleted FRMR 32927, ex_hlaalu_bridge_01
deleted FRMR 41167, ex_hlaalu_wall_gate_03
deleted FRMR 43393, terrain_rock_wg_17
CELL -4 -1, Bitter Coast Region
CELL -4 -2, Balmora
deleted FRMR 428721, hlaalu guard_outside
deleted FRMR 22604, ex_hlaalu_b_12
deleted FRMR 32931, terrain_rock_wg_02
deleted FRMR 32933, ex_hlaalu_b_10
deleted FRMR 32939, ex_hlaalu_b_24
deleted FRMR 32963, terrain_rock_wg_17
deleted FRMR 32989, ex_hlaalu_buttress_03
deleted FRMR 34118, terrain_rock_wg_17
deleted FRMR 34119, ex_hlaalu_steps_06
deleted FRMR 43561, flora_tree_wg_05
deleted FRMR 43562, flora_root_wg_05
deleted FRMR 32937, furn_bannerd_clothing_01_hastie
CELL -5 -1, Bitter Coast Region
CELL Balmora, South Wall Cornerclub
deleted AMBI
CELL Balmora, Temple
deleted AMBI
==============================
Saved: Clean Atmospheric Balmora.ESP

They aren't that bad, but holy cow, there's a lot of them!

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:21 am

So assuming TESTool removed most of the references listed above, it still says there's some dirty ones in there. I gathered from what I read that I just go in to the tool of choice and just delete these? I know there was something mentioned in the CS tutorial on removing DR's that I am to rename the things I delete. I'm still a bit in the dark as far as this situation goes.

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:58 am

So assuming TESTool removed most of the references listed above, it still says there's some dirty ones in there. I gathered from what I read that I just go in to the tool of choice and just delete these? I know there was something mentioned in the CS tutorial on removing DR's that I am to rename the things I delete. I'm still a bit in the dark as far as this situation goes.

Two ways to do it:

Using TESAME or Enchanted Editor, you literally just delete those 7 objects from the esp.

Using the CS, you can open the Details (from the CS launcher) and highlight the object. Press Delete on your keyboard to flag it as ignored.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:49 pm

Ok. That's very easy. This stuff always seems so intimidating to me at first. I'll do that right now.

Edit: For future reference, is TESTool a reliable tool to clean all of my .esp's? I know the dialog merging function is severely bugged, so I never use it. I was just wondering abotu the cleaning aspect of it.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:12 pm

Edit: For future reference, is TESTool a reliable tool to clean all of my .esp's? I know the dialog merging function is severely bugged, so I never use it. I was just wondering abotu the cleaning aspect of it.

I've been using the "Clean esp/esm" function for a long time, and have never had any problems. It does a good job of removing junk cells and similar things.
You just have to keep in mind that it is not a tool for precision. It also doesn't check for or remove "Dirty References." (meaning, accidentally altered objects)

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:24 pm

I've been using the "Clean esp/esm" function for a long time, and have never had any problems. It does a good job of removing junk cells and similar things.
You just have to keep in mind that it is not a tool for precision. It also doesn't check for or remove "Dirty References." (meaning, accidentally altered objects)

So what's the best utility for dirty references? I used to use Tesame, but was always afraid I'd delete the wrong things.

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:05 am

So what's the best utility for dirty references? I used to use Tesame, but was always afraid I'd delete the wrong things.

I prefer Enchanted Editor, because the interface looks nicer. (colourful Icons)
But it's basically the same thing as TESAME.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:53 pm

Enchanted Editor

This...