Hi Leydenne!

I'm pretty much liking this (having kids) for the story opportunities it can offer, not just immersion.

Well for RP purposes, as Luke Skyrimmer said, you'd want to save the child anyways even if he/she is unkillable because, you know, teh RPing.

Just have it where dragons cannot spawn if children are loaded in a cell.

Sometimes I hate the word Immersion. I wonder if the children will all be kids. By which I mean...will the kids all be one age? Will we have teenagers etc? That would be awesome.

Again, no.

This is being waaaay too anol over this. It's not a big deal when children are unkillable/don't respond to being hit.

In fact, if you want more "realism," have the children scream in terror when they see (Not get hit, see) a dragon and run away and disappear, like the OP suggested.

And I'm tired of people saying "But kids disappearin ruin meh immershun lolz." Are you saying that after the said threat is gone, you're going to check every single house for children? Who does that?

Already confirmed by latest article---kids are unkillable.

If a dragon attacks a city and fries everyone in sight, but the kids just run around screaming that's ridiculous. I'm not a immersion person by any means and don't care for too much realism, but come on. Really?

How about they implement children... but call them 'hobbits.' They will look like children, act like children, and react like children, but they will not technically be children; therefore not invincible.

Haha I actually enjoyed that. You seem like you'd be a good public speaker. I'm suprised you didn't show the part in Black Ops campaign where you cut Viet Cong throats.

On Topic: If they handle children in Skyrim the same way they did in Fallout 3/NV, I will be content.

That would be interesting.

I like the idea of them running to their houses and hiding in their rooms when danger occurs rather than they just run around screaming.

Haven't any of you played any other games that have children in them? I have. They aren't part of the story really, they are there to add "flavor" to an area. Occasionally one will run up and deliver a message to you, to further a plot point or vector your character off to some other quest. Sometimes, as in The Witcher, or Dragon Age, or even FO3, a child might have a significant role. It's no different than any other NPC having a significant role. For example, The Witcher - there were kids in the Vizima outskirts, there were kids running around the slums. There was fighting in both areas and you know what... I never noticed or cared where the kids were at the time, I was focused on the battle with bandits or whatever. I was fine with no kids in Oblivion, inspite of the myriad threads bemoaning the lack of children anywhere in the world, and I was fine with kids in FO3 despite the myriad threads of people bemoaning the presence of children NPCs. I think people just like to argue. At the end of the day, all of you who are arguing either side, are still going to play the game. :shrug:


On a moderator-y note: I am tempted to close this thread at this point because you all are just going over the same points and I have deleted several posts - some of them just random off-topic posts and others that went into an area we do not want discussed. I'll see how it goes for a bit further.

First off, I never suggested having kids run around while being fried, I said that I agreed with the OP's idea in which the children do run away and disappear once they get inside a cell.

If that honestly ruins someone's immersion, then you shouldn't play Skyrim, you should play Life Simulator 5.

On a mostly unrelated note, I find the fact that there are so many people on a forum dedicated to a longstanding roleplaying franchise who are overtly hostile to the idea of "immersion" to be roughly equal parts irritating and depressing.

It seems to me that complaining here about people who value immersion is little different from going on a Corvette forum and complaining about people who like fast cars.

"I wan meh fast carz!!1! Vroomvroom LULZ!!11!"

That solution is fine. As long as there's no destructible environments.

I might not like the idea of children in my TES game, but having children is making me look forward to two things: Argonian and Khajiit children! unless, of course all children are just humans...that would svck.

Lets not get off topic here. And isn't TES's staple open world-do whatever you want? Not immersion, while it has a factor, is not the main aspect.

Anyways, On TOPIC: I truly believe Bethesda will handle children just fine, other game Devs handled them easiy, so I'm sure a company as great as Bethesda can handle them just as well.

Irony at its finest.

I'm 99% sure there won't be any destructible environments unless it's scripted.

Disregard this double post.

Never done that - in MW, OB, and FO3 combined I must have clocked up over 1000 hours. Never been on a killing spree. So don't assume you're talking for everyone :wink_smile:

Oh good, when a dragon attacks, I can just run inside a house.

How so? Explain it to me in PMs, since I don't want to get
off topic and have this thread locked.

I would truthfully rather there not be any children.

But maybe certain children in the game would grow up. Then you can kill the advlts.

Agreed. It's nice that children are included, but all this debate makes me wish they would be removed from the game. MW and OB were fine without them, and there are alot more "immershun breeking" moments dealing with items, people, or events that aren't in the game already.

It feels like a situation that can't be won completely: If there are no kids, it breaks immersion, I mean no one has kids?! If there are kids, but they are made unharmable, it breaks immersion, I mean, how can a living thing not get hurt?! We could go on further asking why aren't babies and pregnancy aren't in the game, or go onto other ideas for video games that receives too much unwanted attention. I believe the idea is that everyone has drawn a line, and this line represents a boundary, but where people draw the line vary from person to person. Kinda how like many people are fine with stealing and murder, but things like children and perhaps six become very controversial. Probably the reason for why it's frowned upon to discuss things like this, although it's nice to have the ability to. What's a forum but a place to discuss and debate?

The OP's idea is awesome. It gives a elegant solution for the children. You can continue to kill advlts as much as you'd like, but the children will never be physically harmed. The children will be a nice touch to the game you might not even pay much attention to after some time, like many before have posted about Fallout 3 and it's children NPCs. Just...make sure if they have alot of children, perhaps more so than what was in Fallout 3, and a town becomes attacked by a dragon, give them like 400% increased movement speed. Keep the screaming and crying to a minimum and let me kill this dragon.

Or let them grow up and become killable as advlts. :shrug: