Huge? The storyline reeked of cliches. The entire map was forest, save for a few areas. And all the quests were black and white. All realms of Oblivion were Hell The Dead Lands, because they didn't want to design the realms for Peryite or Boethia. It portrayed daedra as evildemonz!!! Sorry Seti, but my opinion of Oblivion is that if you like hack-and-slash RPGs, you'll love it. If you like the Elder Scrolls series as a whole and care about a good plot, maybe you should look for Daggerfall or Morrowind.

Oh, here we go again. Why bother. Back to the discussion at hand.

You initiated it...

But back on topic.

If they pull it off, I'll be most pleased. If they have a wide range of terrain and all the creatures (not just real ones), I'll think it'll be great.

i know vvardenfell is part of morrowind, i don't remember spending that much time inside the dead lands
i was just saying the title isn't everything.
i am honestly not expecting it to only be in skyrim

you cant say they were LAZY, but you also cant say that they didnt cut corners. (attaching all pauldrons to there respective briast plates, and giving beast races human legs to avoid retooling equipment to fit beast models)

Idk y people are hating on oblivion. I loved the forest i mean... wut is this guy asking for. u dont want forrest and mountains???? then wut else is there..?? water? towns. i dont wan ta metropolis either and i sure enough dont want a dungeon every five feet. so yeah. give me forrests and mountains. and remember that skyrim is pretty much all snow since its so far north. So expect that. bethesda will work it out fine. Anywya I was a little disappointed cuz i was just sure this game would have something to do with Akavir. i honestly think all the places in the previous games will need revisiting bigtime as well. because we relaly have not gotten a taste of hammerfell, or elswry even tho being able to visit in arena and daggerfall to some of these places the technology to get the feel just wasn't available to us. anyway i wuld have to loved akavir. i really hoped thats where it wuld be. u know or on the coast where u go to akavir. it'd be crazy. so hostile tho i bet.

My guess is Skyrim/Solstheim will be the locations.

you know of mine small country?

on topic - wouldnt mind the snow, but imo your character NEEDS to at least boot deep and trudging, not just a white, flat dirt texture.

ALSO, i bet the dragons of skyrim like their terrotory hot, so im expecting to see large out crops of solid stone with lava pouring out, melting snow for kilometres around, and in the process allowing grass to grow and small ponds/lakes of meltwater to form.
i hope...but who can say what bethesda have decided to create.

Yes I was a little disappointed by this choice, but then I realise Bethesda can be absolutely trust, even if they wanted to make a game in eastern moldavia

Everyone! You need not worry. In the last Game Informer magazine, an article (titled thusly; "http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/12/26/decrypting-the-elder-scrolls.aspx?PostPageIndex=1) featured a quote by none other than the god-king Todd Howard saying this, "I was really influenced by the Lord of the Rings movies at that time. It felt real, almost historical, and that’s something I think is key to The Elder Scrolls." and later, a quote from the o mighty Matt Carofano (art director).



While this is only talking about art direction, the style of Oblivion is what appealed to them at the time, further, they change with every game. You can rest now, assured that Skyrim will be an interesting place, with a unique style.

I'm hoping that the culture in Skyrim is interesting enough to make up for the somewhat less interesting setting. The ruins, cities, caves and towns is going to be where it's at.


I think Summerset Isle might be interesting to visit...I don't even like the High elves.

I think they have had this new engine much longer than they had Oblivion's complete engine(which was only 6 months before release) so if this turns out to be as much a cookie cutter/easy-way-out type game as Oblivion, I think I'll stop buying Bethesda games altogether.

I just hope they stick to the lore this time honestly.

Yeah. When Redguard changed Cyrodiil from a forest to a jungle, I was pretty angry, and when Morrowind changed Vvardenfell from a complete ashland into 75% ashland, I was also pretty angry.

Lore is the main reason Oblivion irritated me. And in Redguard (04' right?) Cyrodiil was jungle.

Edit: And I'm only getting vocal because other people who I won't mention are also gettin ghtat way about Morrowind, so I say fight fire with fire!

How many times can one world change honestly?

Redguard came out in 98, and it changed the lore. In Arena (94), Cyrodiil was a forest. It's a bit of a hassle, but I can show you some pictures, if you'd like to see. Redguard was a bit of turning point. It's when Todd took over and started focusing on smaller worlds with quite a bit of departure from Julian's work. Lore changed... a lot.

I don't know how many times they can, but they've done it quite a few times, before, with the main gap being in between TES II and TES III. Before Redguard, Imperials didn't even exist and the Imperial symbol that became so famous, afterwards, also didn't exist.

Arena lore doesn't count. Daggerfall was when lore started fleshing out. I just would've preferred a crazy, extravagant jungle. Or at least a better reason than a god did it. If they came up with something at least half-way decent I'd be fine.

Arena's lore does count. It's the original, and Cyrodiil remained the same in Daggerfall and Battlespire. Redguard signaled the change. Julian went... somewhere and Todd kind of mixed things up a bit, but Cyrodiil was still a forest until 1998, and it turned back into one in 2006.

Arena lore had...no imperials, no Blades, eight divines, etc.

Morrowind added a ninth divine, Daggerfall had no Imperials, and neither did Battlespire. Daggerfall changed lore with some of those things, Battlespire changed more, Redguard really changed more, Morrowind changed more, too, and Oblivion also changed more. It's been a continuing process that's occured with previous games. Before Morrowind dragons were.... all beasts. They were mounts in Battlespire, an enemy in Redguard, enemies in Daggerfall, and treasure-hoarders in Arena. Dwarves were just dwarves until Redguard, and that was halfway into the series.

But it MUST count!
what if someone tells us no lore until Oblivion counts? (ew what a crappy place TES would be) anyway joking over (I really wasn't being an ass)
I never played Arena at all so I don't know any of the lore from then.
It would be hilarious if in game someone started talking about how "Cyrodill has become much more of a jungle since the empire fell" I'd laugh uncontrollably I think.

Touche...Seti...you've convinced me to stop "bashing" on Oblivion. Lore is what mainly annoyed me, and you brought up a valid point.

I would've preferred Black Marsh but that's only because I love Argonians :turtle: . In Morrowind, we got a taster of Skyrim (Solstheim) and if they expand on that and fill it with the rich lore of the Nords (and some Bethesda magic) then I'll be happy. If I don't like what they've done with the place then I'll return to Cyrodiil. Simple. bliviongate:

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Sooo... Skyrim could be anything. Prepare for a tropical paradise.

Really, though, Bethesda can, and likely will, surprise with some twists and departures. I'll bet there will still be snow, of course, but perhaps they might even give us something completely unexpected... or at least in just one area. I hope they put a little tropical beach somewhere in the game, just for a vacation spot.