Enemies from the same leveld lists, at level 3 there's a super mutant, at level 30 there's an overlord. Fallout 3's dungeons are level locked, though. You visit Super Duper Mart at level 2, it'll have level 2 enemies for the rest of the game. Skyrim will use system too.

And personally i prefer tripping on radscropions over aiming at Lucky38, putting on auto-move and leaving the game alone for 10 minutes.

I don't think people have that high expectations anymore. Mostly people are just hoping for improvements, less TES style gameplay and generally a better middleground between what is now and what originally was. If that does not happen to any (suitable) degree with FO4, I'd think the old guard will not stay to criticise ("whine about" if you wish) it anymore as it will be clear at that point that opening your yap as a fan of the originals has no bearing of any kind.

Same difference, because the enemies of FO3 are all pushovers regardless of your level. I'd much prefer, having reasonable reason for things to be there then have pointless but for you to kill enemies every 2 feet. *shrugs*

I don't see Bethesda altering their formula, they'll continue making exploration and combat focused games, that they've done since forever. It seems to be working for them :shrug:



Maybe, though i beleive there'll be a lot of "Fallout 4 was dumbed down from New Vegas" from those who don't know that separate developers made the games, and "Bethesda should've let Obsidian make Fallout 4" from those who do :shrug:



I don't see Bethesda altering their formula, they'll continue making exploration and combat focused games, that they've done since forever. It seems to be working for them :shrug:



Maybe, though i beleive there'll be a lot of "Fallout 4 was dumbed down from New Vegas" from those who don't know that separate developers made the games, and "Bethesda should've let Obsidian make Fallout 4" from those who do :shrug:



Both games are easy unmodded. In Fallout 3 the level scaling i supposed to keep the challenge about equal, so that's by design and is one of those things that i use mods for. With Mart's mod when i see an Albino Radscorpion on level 6, i run away. Change of that happening keeps me alert when moving trough the wasteland, instead of just engaging auto-move and reading a book.



Mutated animals roaming the wastes seems pretty reasonable to me :shrug:

And most likely they won't, no denying that. But then again, I don't think people are asking for a complete turnover anymore (because even the most stubborn will understand that that will not happen), but just subtle movements to the right instead of left. And in that light I don't see why they wouldn't want to alter their formulas for even a bit (personally I don't see any sense in keeping two franchises if they both do the same thing in the same way with different paintjob, but that's not the discussion here) to make it clear that these are not sistergames they do but different animals all together.



Sure, there'll always be unhappiness, but I wouldn't expect to see anything the like what was at the time of Fallout 3. That was enormus. The whining about NV, for example, has been pretty mild in comparison (for example), imo. I don't see the next game being too different from that, not to the point of causing a storm anyway.

I don't know about everybody else, but when I see a building, or group of buildings in the distance in the game,
I get excited, because I start wondering what cool things might be stashed away in one of those buidlings..

Maybe a unique Weapon? some armor that I need?

And in FONV, I hurriedly and excitedly run up to that building or Buildings, and find........ they're all boarded up...... :confused:

I understand the Mojave is a Desert and it's a big open space of Sand, but to offset that, Obsidian could've made
a LOT of buildings that you could go inside and explore, and not just these "quicky" one floor tiny buildings with
some Ants tossed in them, or a tiny Gas Station with shelves with a couple of boxes of Cram on them.....

I'm talking a multi-floor factory, heck half of the buildings you CAN go inside, are one floor bungalows with NOTHING in them except clutter..... :snoring:

And Vaults......the highlight of FONV for me is once I finish with that, I feel that the game is over....

Go hunt down the guy who got there first? Oh wait that was probably 200 years ago....XD

(Watches the FO3 issues forums)

Yeah

Sure,

Dude, not all of us have the same problem

I dont have freezes since.....


The last patch


I dont liked Fallout 3

I hated it

You cant do anything but Help James, Assist the BOS, and Destroy the Enclave

But looks like that disliking its heresy

That is what is the big bad thing about Fallout 3, it's not as if the fans of the originals dont mind the exploration, or the combat as much as how linear Fallout 3 is, and why many of the original fans like NV, it is a very open story that allows you a true freedom in your role.

Yeah

Too bad the most of the original fans are considered

"people who stuck in the past"


But Fallout 3 its always awesome :spotted owl:

It is truly a sad occurance, I would love to see what would happen if, say, Nintendo bought TES and made it into the Legend of Zelda: Tamriel. Then we could see the "ones stuck in the past" of TES

Funny, that's exaclty what i would say about New Vegas :lmao:

For some

Liking it is heresy too

i agree, i wanted more variation in both games, in new vegas there are no random events, and enemy spawns never change, so to me its a lot worse but i agree even in FO3 a lot of repetion, i sure hope this gets dealt with for future games cause its more fun when you have more variation, there needs to be random events and encounters so the map area isn't as static in future games.

I think all Fallout fans, old and new, can all hope happily that Fallout 4 will have the action, exploration, the little touch of "epicness", and dynamic map of Fallout 3 with the great writing, logical setting, crafting, and open storyline of Fallout: New Vegas

Fallout 3 isn't linear, maybe the story is, but the new vegas story is ok but its not that great, its just an average story and while its true you can help different factions, the only real difference is the end game slide, its not like it changes all that much in the game, so you're making the end game slide super important and its not. i couldn't care less about the story, stories are a dime a dozen, a story doens't make or break a game, its the gameplay, there's lots of other more important aspects to me than the story.

Story and Lore are the main centric key apects of the Fallout series, its a role playing game, the point is to get immersed in your role and in the story, yes exploration is a good side-show, combat is an entertaining means to an end, but the end is story progression, story and lore are the most important factors in a Fallout game, in all Role-Playing Games, it is a sad day when people play RPGs not for story or role-playing, but as a grind-and-loot gam, modern RPGs are hardly RPGs anymore, and when Fallout: New Vegas tried to return to the way an RPG should be, people complain... ending slides show the consequences of your choices, if your not one for consequences, than the Fallout series may not be the best match, the choice-consequence relation is heavily stressed and is a big factor in Fallout games, excluding 3, which is why is refer to it as a bastartd, not because i dislike it, i love Fallout 3, but because it deviated too far from Fallout charactaristics and lore to be called a true-blue Fallout, IMHO.

Gameplay's purpose in an RPG is to accuratly represent the lore behind the game and to serve as a medium to progress in the story, allowing you to fill a role, and have fun doing it. Gameplay in and of itself is empty if it doesnt represent the lore and it is a true farce without a story, in an RPG.

It's a shame when nobody knows what a RPG is.

Real Pistolero Gaming??

Seriously

Story makes little sense in others genres (specifically shoot em ups, beat em ups,)

But a RPG is not funny without a plot

At least putting a excuse plot like for example.

You are the hero, you must destroy the evil

I respect your opinion but dissagree 110%.
For me Fallout3 was not very good at all. It didn't feel like a fallout game at all to me. Also not enough rpg elements or things that made Fallout1 and 2 so great.

Fallout3 has better soundtrack for the radio and that is all.
New Vegas has better gameplay, better rpg elements, MUCH better dialogue, better story, better gameworld, way better quests, better characters, better voice acting, better atmosphere and a bigger fun factor for me personally.

Fallout3 felt like it was missing alot to be honest and barely felt like an RPG, nevermind a Fallout game.
New Vegas really surprised me with how good of an rpg it is, how true it was to the fallout series and how amazing the dialogue was compared to the dry boring dialogue of Fallout3.

I think Fallout New Vegas is more for the old rpg fans who liked Fallout1/2, Baldurs Gate, Wizardry series,etc.. Were as Fallout3 was more geared towards the newer generation. New Vegas was a great mix of the old Fallout games and fallout3 imo

In the end though, I won both games and I would give Fallout3 a 6 or 7/10 and Fallout New Vegas a 9.5/10.

Yes Fallout3 and New Vegas are similiar in some ways, but to me they are almost completely new games, as New Vegas is more of a true rpg experience where you actually roleplay alot.

I really hope that Bethesda lets Obsidian do the next Fallout game or at least let them do the dialogue and writing/story!

I make my own soundtracks so the one thing that Fallout3 did better then New Vegas doesn't even matter to me much in the end. Fallout3 to me felt more like a shooter or action game then RPG, were as New Vegas feels and plays like a RPG no doubt.

Also I have only had one crash in about 120 hours with New Vegas on PC, that is hell crashes then I had with Fallout3. No game breaking quest issues either. Besides some FPS drops when the game first came out (and some AI pathign issues), this game is near perfection and beats Fallout3 in every way except Radio Stations.

Every time I go thru New Vegas (on 3rd time now), so many thigns are differnt! Were as Fallout3 I didn't want to beat the game or play it again after forcing myself to beat it. But with New Vegas I just cant wait to start a new game! I expect the newer generation of gamers to like Fallout3 more and the older rpg gamers to enjoy New Vegas more.

I've read so many conclusionless debates on "what is RPG" that it seem everyone has their own definition :shrug: I don't care what genre a game is, just how well it works. (IMO the two modern Fallouts are RPG/FPS hybrids).

:foodndrink: Welcome to the club, that attitude puts you in the "stuck in the past lol" group.

Indeed. We should form a dinosaur club.

I don't really even like Fallout 3 after I played 1/2...

Do I get to join the club?

It's kind of sad though, that if you think plot > exploration, then your opinion is wrong... Bethesda, you ruined the Fallout series...

It's wierd, but wouldnt you say Dinosaurs are cooler than any modern animal? If it hadn't been for a meteorite, they would be owning the whole world still.