Discussion for Workshop Paid Mods - Thread 5 : V - Skyrim

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:55 am

Yeah, no.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:32 am

Do you guys have any news on isoku?

Did he said anything?

» Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:38 pm

I'm pretty sure Valve has a better idea of what is or isn't legal than any one of us random people on the internet.

There is copyright protection. You report the mod and file a DMCA, same as you've always done. Except now paid mods need to be approved rather than just uploaded, and people have incentive to act even faster to take things down. A mod needs to make $400 before the modder ever sees a cent. If someone steals your small, non-famous mod, they won't make that money before it gets taken down. If someone steals your famous mod, i.e. the sort of mod that would earn $400 in one day, it will be too famous to ever pass the screening process.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:10 am

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. I know many forum moderators who aren't compensated for what they do. They do it to maintain a nice environment for themselves and others.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:40 am

@AFiddlingSnail and the profit estimates

This is pretty chilling. Is there any more information about why there is author revenue being withheld? Is it simply that they do it every week? Looking at this it seems that 75% is a bit much to me. I would be a lot happier if it was a 50/50 split between modder and Beth/Valve.

» Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:30 pm

Guys, guys, guys...and ladys...you don't understand...this is how it starts. Modding is no longer a benefit for devs/pubs, nowadays it's a disadvantage. All three big gaming companys completely disallowed modding on all their games, just recently ago.

Sure, if someone makes a stupid decision I have every right to tell that person it was a stupid decision...I'm just trying to safe them. Whatever, don't say I didn't warned that guys/gals...

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:55 am

*schlangster*, on 24 Apr 2015 - 11:44 AM, said:

"Hey everyone!

I've been out hiking for the last couple of days so I didn't really follow what's been going on, but from skimming over the topic I take it that the news is out!
And in case you wondered if they had forgotten about us - they had not! There is an update in the works for SkyUI that will be up for sale on Steam Workshop (hopefully) soon-ish! I don't want to spoil any details yet, but I just thought I'd let you know to get you hyped up a little. Anyway, gotta run now! *RUNS* "

Ugh, I really hope you're joking dude...

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:30 am

comment removed dont wanna get in trouble.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:46 am

Game developers are not modders. Maybe they were at some point, but they did it for free then. Maybe they are on their free time, but you shouldn't expect(key word here) payment for what you do on your free time.

On top of that, I'm pretty damn pissed at being talked down to. Doesn't matter if your a "developer" or a poster on this forum.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:02 am

Yeah, no.

What does the Bill say: The digital content quality rights in the Bill set out that digital content would have to meet any description given with it. If the digital content didn’t meet these quality rights, the consumer would be entitled to a repair or a replacement of the digital content where practical, or failing that (that is, if the repair or replacement take an unreasonable amount of time or cannot be done without significantly inconveniencing the consumer), the consumer would be entitled to some money back.

Or please refer to the Sales of Goods act.

Apply water to the burn.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:58 am

I believe they do. I have noticed that the TES modding community has become much more petty and prone to adobt a persecution complex in the last few years and it really bothers me. And that's not a knock on anyone in particular whether they are mod authors or mod users. Just a trend I am noticing.

Maturity right there, bravo.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:28 am

This is absolutley disgusting, i wouldn't mind a donation option but actually charging for mods is the lowest of the low, not using the steam workshop at all anymore, gonna stick with the Nexus.

I can understand wanting money for your work (I am a modeller myself) but there are other ways you can make money such as making a game and selling it, or uploading your work to the huge selection of websites that allow people to buy them.

Mods have always been free, that is what makes them great, and anybody in their right mind would make their mods free, i know i would.

» Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:22 pm

What has never been a problem, for over a decade. is now inexcusable and blasphemous. :lol: this isn't a healthy attitude. I would be so fine in the discussion personally, if folds didn't resort to this kind of talk, its kind of unfair.

I don't notice anyone saying the inverse of such a statement regarding modders who charge, maybe there are some, but I see this POV alot now. suddenly for not wanting to pay what was not an obligation to pay for (but an option) those who download mods are cheap freeloaders.

omg.

I'm done, was nice dabbling in the thread. be back some other time.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:59 am

Germans never joke.

» Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:55 pm

I have a huge respect for Chesko, and if there is anyone who I would want to support through paid mods, it would be him. Maybe when this all blows over and I start a new Skyrim game ill send some money his way. His work in making survival mods for Skyrim has made the game so much better for me over the years.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:22 am

Sure, I'll trust your random citation. Let me go look at the website again.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/buy-sell-online/rights-e-commerce/index_en.htm

Hn. An official website, or some person on the internet. AN... :tongue:

ETA: Actually, let me be nicer. Please link me to that citation so I can read it.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:33 am

Cry me river. No one was paying him before or making him create mods. If a mod is good it gets hits. If it gets hits, all us 'entitled' people generally upvote or thank him. He gets recognition. That's how it works. If a creator wants more than that, then either don't mod or get a job in the industry.

» Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:50 am

I think enough people are. Like every single person that has called the modders who sell through the workshop sellouts (or worse), and every single person that's insisting that modding should be done only for some kind of amorphous Love of Community, or people saying that modders should only take donations/patreon rather than sell things outright. The modders made a decision, and the community didn't even give them time to decide if it was the right decision before sending a mob after them.

Let's look at this thread, only one page old:

This person is telling modders, who agreed and signed up for the deal, what to think about the deal.

This person is saying that modders should only mod for "the community."

Here's the thing. For many people, modding has always been about more than just the community. Some people do it to get a job in the industry, or to gain more exposure to promote some other aspect of their business. Alexander V did it very, very publicly, and no one announced that he was a sellout because his mod was created to earn him (future) money. He was also very helpful to other modders, and very engaged in the community, even though by doing so he was potentially losing out on future money (employment - if everyone can do what he did, he's no longer special). In fact, people praised his efforts to use modding to get a job to get money.

If a modder decides that they will only mod for free (as the majority have done, it seems), that's entirely their choice. They are clearly getting all they want, and that's fantastic. If a modder decides to release their work for free but accept donations, that's also great! If a modder decides that they'd like a return on their investment and puts their mod up on Steam, that is also their choice. We, as consumers, can chose which modders (and which platforms or pay structures) to support. If we want to make donations and patreon a viable way of earning money, versus pure sales, everybody should start donating. If modders see that they get more money from donations than they do from sales, they will rely on donations.