A discussion of Heavy Armor types in Skyrim : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:33 pm

This is not "baseless" assumptions, these are educated guesses based on what we have.

Its far too early to make a judgement on the overall quantity of heavy armor in the game based on a 20 minute gameplay demo. The elderscrolls have signature armor types, the 6 you have mentioned...but they also have armor types native to the land. And we don't know for certain how much culture will effect the variety of armor.

Yes, the list that you have seems like a small amount... and I agree, what happened to silver?

Silver was only weaponry in both Morrowind and Oblivion. Morrowind had a Silver helmet...but no other pieces. I think its kind of cool when partial pieces of armor are added to a game as it forces you to mix and match but it'd be cool to see a full set of silver armor.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:12 am

Hmm, you're right, there was no "silver" armor, I was mistaking Silver for Steel. I haven't played Oblivion in 3 years. =/
My apologies, and touche.
But this thread still has merit, as does it's point. The amount of armor in the game (from the information that we've been given) is extremely lackluster even compared to Oblivion, which I cannot even believe I'm saying, because I thought the same thing when Oblivion came out looking back at Morrowind.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:07 am

http://cms.elderscrolls.com/sites/default/files/tes/screenshots/Riverwood.jpg. The Guard in the back looks like he might be wearing Iron armor as well, of a different kind, but it's a lot harder to tell without a close-up.

that one I was thinking legion or blades equivalent. Maybe some kind of guard armor, but who knows. I kinda doubt it is iron, looks too polished to be typical tes iron, closer to a steel material imo, but I doubt that it is actually steel.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:58 pm

Hmm, you're right, there was no "silver" armor, I was mistaking Silver for Steel. I haven't played Oblivion in 3 years. =/
My apologies, and touche.
But this thread still has merit, as does it's point. The amount of armor in the game (from the information that we've been given) is extremely lackluster even compared to Oblivion, which I cannot even believe I'm saying, because I thought the same thing when Oblivion came out looking back at Morrowind.

http://bnbgaming.com/2011/06/03/skyrim-horses-and-lots-and-lots-of-talking/

Look for the part that says something about 13 types of ore. I think you can relax :wink_smile:

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:23 pm

There's no way to tell what kind of armor the guard has on, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever pointing towards it being Iron armor.
For all we know, it's armor the player can't even obtain, even after killing a guard, because that much customization isn't "mainstream" enough for Bethesda. :rolleyes:

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:11 am

that one I was thinking legion or blades equivalent. Maybe some kind of guard armor, but who knows. I kinda doubt it is iron, looks too polished to be typical tes iron, closer to a steel material imo, but I doubt that it is actually steel.

Agreed... It doesn't looked Polished enough to be steel, but doesn't look pitted and rough enough to be Iron, but that could just be the LOD draw... I would prefer not seeing any "Legion" or "Guard" armor, and instead, see them using normal armors... If it is a "Guard" armor, I'd definitely cast my vote for Imperial though. It just looks Roman as hell.

There's no way to tell what kind of armor the guard has on, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever pointing towards it being Iron armor.
For all we know, it's armor the player can't even obtain, even after killing a guard, because that much customization isn't "mainstream" enough for Bethesda. :rolleyes:

You're one to call people out on Lack of Evidence.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:15 am

The Restoration description, IIRC, only mentioned 2-3 spells; warding, circle of protection, and probably one other. Therefore, there must only be 2-3 spells for Restoration.

OH WAIT!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

this^

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:48 pm

Agreed... It doesn't looked Polished enough to be steel, but doesn't look pitted and rough enough to be Iron, but that could just be the LOD draw... I would prefer not seeing any "Legion" or "Guard" armor, and instead, see them using normal armors... If it is a "Guard" armor, I'd definitely cast my vote for Imperial though. It just looks Roman as hell.

You're one to call people out on Lack of Evidence.

There's a difference between baseless assumptions and educated guesses based on small bits of evidence.
Again, you're extremely hostile. You aren't contributing anything to this thread. So either calm down, and stop being condescending for absolutely no reason, or please stop posting here. :goodjob:

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:42 pm

There's a difference between baseless assumptions and educated guesses based on small bits of evidence.
Again, you're extremely hostile. You aren't contributing anything to this thread. So either calm down, and stop being condescending for absolutely no reason, or please stop posting here. :goodjob:

Since when is pointing out the flaws in your observations inherently hostile? Also, I'm pretty sure you're not the Emperor of the forums, if you've got a problem with something I say, or how I say it, hit the report button, it's really quite simple.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:52 pm

Since when is pointing out the flaws in your observations inherently hostile? Also, I'm pretty sure you're not the Emperor of the forums, if you've got a problem with something I say, or how I say it, hit the report button, it's really quite simple.

Obviously, I'm referring to your "holier than thou" condescending tone. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying, and don't realize you are doing it, it's time for some self reflection.
"Lets put this thread to rest" comments etc. It's not YOUR job to "put threads to rest". Get out of here with that nonsense.
It's funny how you speak about "emperors of the forum".

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:58 pm

Obviously, I'm referring to your "holier than thou" condescending tone. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying, and don't realize you are doing it, it's time for some self reflection.
"Lets put this thread to rest" comments etc. It's not YOUR job to "put threads to rest". Get out of here with that nonsense.
It's funny how you speak about "emperors of the forum".

Stop posting poorly researched arguments and information, and I'll "get out" with the perfectly legitimate rebuttals that totally unravel the platform of your argument.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:12 am

Stop posting poorly researched arguments and information, and I'll "get out" with the perfectly legitimate rebuttals that totally unravel the platform of your argument.

"Poor searched" (what does that even mean grammatically) arguments = looking at the skills list, drawing an obvious conclusion based on past games and how the skills list works, and suggesting that the armors listed are the armors in the game?
Lol. Yeah. Good one.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:52 pm

(Looks at the 2 posters)

STOP.

HAMMERTIME.

Kinda peeved you didn't read the ore link OP

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:03 pm

"Poor searched" (what does that even mean grammatically) arguments = looking at the skills list, drawing an obvious conclusion based on past games and how the skills list works, and suggesting that the armors listed are the armors in the game?
Lol. Yeah. Good one.

So, by that definition, ignoring the screenshots and links all these people have provided that topple your argument, makes for good research?

I'm sorry, I don't follow.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:12 pm

(Looks at the 2 posters)

STOP.

HAMMERTIME.

Kinda peeved you didn't read the ore link OP

I definitely did read the ore list, and I've seen it before, a long time ago.
Not all ore is suitable for the use of being used as armor. Therefore, that list means nothing as of now, given the information we have.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:59 pm

looks like this thread is turning into a pointless internet battle royale
wahoo!

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:50 pm

looks like this thread is turning into a pointless internet battle royale
wahoo!

It can't be a "Battle Royale" until it's gone on for at least three pages!

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:50 pm

It can't be a "Battle Royale" until it's gone on for at least three pages!

f#*k yeah!

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm

So, by that definition, ignoring the screenshots and links all these people have provided that topple your argument, makes for good research?

I'm sorry, I don't follow.

You're using screenshots of armor that we don't know what are yet as evidence?
:rofl:

looks like this thread is turning into a pointless internet battle royale
wahoo!

Yes, thanks to this clown who refuses to put his peen up and stop spamming this thread for no reason other than to win an e-argument. It's honestly sad.
According to The_ugly_guy_at_the_Store, we should just close this thread because he says so and his circumstantial evidence is better than mine lol.
A truly hilarious notion. He's the boss of this thread, and the forums, afterall.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:26 pm

I definitely did read the ore list, and I've seen it before, a long time ago.
Not all ore is suitable for the use of being used as armor. Therefore, that list means nothing as of now, given the information we have.

Well, lets go ahead and break it down:

Iron and Steel will likely be 1 and 2.
Dwemer, Orcish, and Daedric metals, however, make absolutely no sense to harvest.

That's only 2 down so far, with the entire list of Heavy Armor out.

We will add Ebony to the list (3), and start on Light Armor possibilities:

Glass (4) and Mithril (5) are likely. Elvish armor though? Not so much a mineral as a style. Chainmail may return, but that could simply be a style of iron/steel. Let's make it (6) to play it safe.

So that still leaves us with 7 more Ore varieties. I rather doubt that none of these remaining ores will be usable armor possibilities.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:49 pm

You're using screenshots of armor that we don't know what are yet as evidence?
:rofl:

Yes, thanks to this clown who refuses to put his peen up and stop spamming this thread for no reason other than to win an e-argument. It's honestly sad.
According to The_ugly_guy_at_the_Store, we should just close this thread because he says so and his circumstantial evidence is better than mine lol.
A truly hilarious notion. He's the boss of this thread, and the forums, afterall.

To be fair, you're the only one spamming, resorting to personal attacks on me as a person(Things which you can have literally 0 knowledge about). I only attack the information, which is exactly what these forums are for.

» Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:40 am

@The Undertow; You're still basing you're argument on limited bits of evidence and filling in the gaps. Period. And yes, the screenshots of armor that we don't know the exact type of yet ARE evidence, but they don't necessarily prove anything either, in the same way that the evidence you're relying doesn't prove your claims (and some of your complaints aren't even accurate...we HAD steel armor in Oblivion, while we NEVER had Silver armor in Oblivion or Morrowind).

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:00 pm

Well, lets go ahead and break it down:

Iron and Steel will likely be 1 and 2.
Dwemer, Orcish, and Daedric metals, however, make absolutely no sense to harvest.

That's only 2 down so far, with the entire list of Heavy Armor out.

We will add Ebony to the list (3), and start on Light Armor possibilities:

Glass (4) and Mithril (5) are likely. Elvish armor though? Not so much a mineral as a style. Chainmail may return, but that could simply be a style of iron/steel. Let's make it (6) to play it safe.

So that still leaves us with 7 more Ore varieties. I rather doubt that none of these remaining ores will be usable armor possibilities.

Why does ore have to be used for weapons OR armor..? Ever played World of Warcraft? There are loads of ores in that game (2 dozen or more) that are used for things other than armor and weapons.
And that's just one video game reference, let's not even get started on real life minerals, the majority of which are NOT used for "armor", mainly because this isn't the 1400's anymore, but because it's not feasible.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:51 pm

Well, lets go ahead and break it down:

Iron and Steel will likely be 1 and 2.
Dwemer, Orcish, and Daedric metals, however, make absolutely no sense to harvest.

That's only 2 down so far, with the entire list of Heavy Armor out.

We will add Ebony to the list (3), and start on Light Armor possibilities:

Glass (4) and Mithril (5) are likely. Elvish armor though? Not so much a mineral as a style. Chainmail may return, but that could simply be a style of iron/steel. Let's make it (6) to play it safe.

So that still leaves us with 7 more Ore varieties. I rather doubt that none of these remaining ores will be usable armor possibilities.

Orcish is a special type of steal, Deadric is a special type of ebony.

» Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:43 pm

(and some of your complaints aren't even accurate...we HAD steel armor in Oblivion, while we NEVER had Silver armor in Oblivion or Morrowind).

Actually, there were two silver armors in Morrowind. The Standard Imperial Silver Cuirass, and the special Duke's Guard Silver Cuirass. Neither had full sets, though there was a standard Silver Helmet.