Hey, just cause I don't like the he/she doesn't mean I am going to put clothes on.

One possible way to handle becoming a more powerful lich is a faction ranking, and the faction could be called... Lich and the rankings are the power level of said lich. Then these rank up's use a faction rank check for becoming more powerful with some better spells being added in this way. Doesn't this happen for vampire levels?

I thought that was just scripted...

And Hellsmouth forgot how Vivec concieved a race of vampire-mutants with Molag Bal even though he was "pierced in the SECOND aperture"

He didn't forget, he just likes to keep that memory to himself.

Well I don't know exactly how the game handles the vampire thing for the player character but on my memories of many travels threw the faction list and checking again just now there is a player vampire faction marked as hidden.

The JanusHassildorFaction has a mod of +20 to it and -50 to the NecromancerFaction.

Oblivion had lots of unique factions, what was all the complaining about?

What complaining? All I did was actually go back look at what I had remembered seeing once and post the reactions of said faction interaction. I'm kinda actually wondering how the player vampire faction was handled as I've never played a vampire in oblivion. I disliked that it so badly messed up the face.

I was thinking that it could be a way to handle the player getting more powerful as a lich, other wise if your already a expert/master level in spells what would be the point of becoming one? The other way I can personally think of to get more powerful as a lich is having some kind of requirement outside of the magic skills getting maxed for acquiring more powerful abilities. Like how some faction npc's wouldn't provide services unless you were their rank or higher I think something interesting could be done with something similar using faction ranks.

The person looking for impute can do this how ever they like but something neat at least to me would be making these abilities that can be acquired be lesser powers to avoid magic skill level requirements and getting rank advancement (with an invisible faction or otherwise) for a simulation of gaining power levels as a lich.

That wasn't directed at you. I was just quoting the Janus faction, because it was amusing.

Doing it by faction is an interesting idea. It would necessitate power levels for liches, but you could tie the scripts that added spells and abilities to the faction, then work it out so that quitting the faction also strips you of your abilities.

*interesting note to OP, super high infamy (500+) can cause certain factions, like the bandits, or the human religious fanatics in SI, to be inconsistently hostile and even friendly.

Also something I thought of later after not being in the forums, know how doing infamy increasing stuff makes it so you can't use the crusaders armor and weapons? What if doing good quests would strip you of your power levels from your lich form? Its also something that could be added to that lich king armor mod, make script for it that makes it require infamy.

@Bactrian, ok, its cool

but liches aren't necessarily evil.

What? Where is that from?

There have been plenty of liches who did good, and were pretty powerful. Though, it was often in cases where they were already exiled and still loved their old brothers and sisters, or as a form of redemption for their folly in life (protect the Mazed Band)

The sermons

Ok, so liches don't always do evil stuff in elderscrolls lore, I'm used to other online games and rts's such as warcraft 3, world of warcraft and a few others. I admit it would be amusing to complete mages guild quests to become head master as a lich. =P Even completeing knights of the nine and fighters guild quests etc. as a lich would be amusing... but for some role play, I would think that depending on what way you chose to become a lich should add some limitations on what factions would be willing to interact with you. Like the sacrificing of innocents approach I would think should give a negative disposition to the appropriate factions like the nine divines etc.

While the willpower approach would leave the least of an impact with the good to neutral factions and servant approach would would be less of an impact.

Sacrificing of innocents would actually cause you to gain disposition with say the dark brotherhood and other evil factions while getting a negative response to good to neutral factions, so your approach to lichdom would be then considered a different type of lich maybe? Each approach would be a then be a subtype of lich.

sure it would be good, but we are talking about a mod not a game

Sir Henry Echo, the dark brotherhood would frown on those who sacrifice mass amounts of people, because that means they either lose potential employers or people to kill for the job. They also hate freelance killers. Also, they're only evil in that they kill for a living, otherwise, they work for the almighty septim.

And don't give me that Sithis talk.

Lichdom is driving upwards into ascension with the parking break still left on.

Eh, lichdom is more like the "easy" way to be immortal, as opposed to becoming a god.

Yeah, you stay bound to unfixed objects in Mundus, so true ascension is never possible, but you're still free to live forever *see fine print.

I'm not sure who would wish that on themselves, but immortality is always impossible in one way or another. Just look at good 'ol Gilgamesh.

Mannimarco would like to dispute that by being a lich you cannot ascend, as he makes daily rounds to Arkay to shoot the bird in his face. But then again, true ascension is what the dwemer tried, CHIM, and blah mentioned in the Loveletters.

Also, you need to peer inside the mind of someone whose considering lichhood. Some do it for power, some do it for continuing research (death is really a [censored] when it comes to that), you need to make sure someone doesn't get a hold of item X and burying it is out of the question, or making sure a bunch of daedra are sealed away.

Mannimarco is the only intelligent person that accomplished Lichdom with favorable results. Concerning his nature and his actions in Oblivion, I'd say he's already accomplished a hell of a lot against Arkay.

Becoming a constellation or whatever celestial entity he turned into is no easy feat.

The wannabe lich from the DB quest seems like the average aspirant. He's narrow-minded, egotistical, dying for revenge/conquest, and ready to lay down as Mannimarco's doormat.

I wonder why N'Gasta didn't attempt it though.