[RELz] Display Stats

Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:54 am

Several times since updating to version 2.0 I have received a pop-up upon entering my inventory and moving the mouse over items, which said "Display Stats is unable to find your magic popup menu!" - at which point Display Stats stops working. The game doesn't crash or anything like that, but the mod stops working until I reload a save game. The menu file is properly installed, and Display Stats works at other times.
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Christine Pane
 
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:08 pm

I was getting crashes picking items from dead enimes as well...

*In this instance it was Lock Picks, crash every time I tried to take Lock Picks of a corpse... :rolleyes:
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M!KkI
 
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:59 am

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15th Edit: Last one! I've confirmed that it will crash if I only grab one item from a container. If I do a Take All, it's fine, but if I click on the specific item I want, crash, as soon as I close the container. Doesn't matter what the item is. I only use the mouse to click on the item I want - I don't try to use the keyboard or anything like that.


I've discovered a similar issue, I don't get a CTD if I click one specific item I want, however if there is a specific stack of items that I want and I hold down left shift in order to grab them all (Toggable Quantity Prompt) I do get a CTD. Here is my current load order:

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My Display Stats ini:

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; Display Stats.ini; =====================;; Version: 2.0; Author: Ole Boe / TheNiceOne; ; The settings are read each time a game is loaded with this mod activatedset tnoDS.debug to 0; For the show_... settings, 0, 1 or 2 is allowed, with the following meaning:; 0: Not displayed; 1: Always displayed; 2: Only displayed when display key is held down; Displays base health of weapons/armorset tnoDS.show_health to 1; Displays reach of weaponsset tnoDS.show_reach to 1; Displays speed of weaponsset tnoDS.show_speed to 1; Displays base armor rating of armorset tnoDS.show_armorRating to 1; Displays base damage of weaponsset tnoDS.show_damage to 1; Displays damage rate of weapons (base damage * speed)set tnoDS.show_damageRate to 1; Displays whether the weapons ignore Resist Normal Weapons. This has one additional possible value:; 3: Always display for weapons that ignore resistance, never for others.set tnoDS.show_ignoreResistance to 3; Displays value/weight ratio of itemsset tnoDS.show_valueRatio to 1; Displays base value of items when in barter menuset tnoDS.show_baseValue to 1; Displays arrow case limit for the arrow case added by Duke Patricks Combat Archery modset tnoDS.show_arrowCaseLimit to 1; Set display key that must be held down to display stats with setting 2.; Default is S - 31set tnoDS.show_key to 31; Displays name of stat (in addition to icon and value) in the popup. If disabled, only icon and value is shown.set tnoDS.show_text to 1

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Elle H
 
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:58 am

Display Stats 2.0.1 is now out :celebrate:

From the changelog:
* Fixed a possible CTD when in container menus
It turns out that the OBSE function GetBarterItem sometimes causes CTD instead of returning 0, when not called from withint the Barter Menu. So I check that the player is in the Barter Menu before calling it now.

* Fixed problem with "Display Stats is unable to find your magic popup menu!" message
MenuQue had one undocumented limitation. It always fails to generate and display the popup menu for items that not normally has it - unless the popup has been displayed by the engine at least once. I re-wrote the script that handles this, so that you will just not see a popup for such items until you have pointed at one item that has popup normally. But I will check if kyoma can fix this limitation in MenuQue.


Thanks to all helping me by testing and reporting the issue. I think it is gone now.

Note that I changed all magic_popup_menu.xml files for 2.0.1, so make sure to install the new one.
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Céline Rémy
 
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:42 pm

Thanks TNO - grabbing it now.

Edit: So far, so good. Grabbing everything or just one item seems to be working just fine. :)
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steve brewin
 
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:42 am

Thanks, NiceOne! I was just about to post that I had had both problems last night, and see that it is already updated! :D I'll give it a good test later tonight.
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Kate Norris
 
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:13 pm

Just a little bump for those of you who missed the 2.0 and 2.01 releases of http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31855:)
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Jerry Cox
 
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:49 am

A request if I may: could you display the stats for the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Scales_of_Pitiless_Justice#Scales_of_Pitiless_Justice? A lovely reward from one of the Dark Brotherhood quests. I guess it's normally a static so there'd be nothing to display, but it would be nice to see the enchantments for them.

Thanks!
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jenny goodwin
 
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:23 am

Same for the Skeleton key (Fortify security).
Better if you add a file ini where we can add every *special* item with an hidden effect:
*Special* item = [id]Mod where it come from = [name]Effect 1 = [string]Effect 2 = [string]Effect 3 = [string].....Setstage *** **

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