Drakensang: the Dark Eye is 3rd person & turn-based, but almost nobody knows this game made by a small German developer.

Downloading the demo as I type ~that thing looks wicked

Thanks :foodndrink:

It always makes me sad to think about what they did to those guys. But, if things improve like they did with the last series... and movie... in about twenty years it'll be great again.
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St John's Wort, here I come again...
And those fine guys work no two street crossings away from me. ^_^
I should go over there and check on their progress with the sequel, which should improve the most lacking points, that is, the characters and the RP part of RPG.

Well, now i've played fallout 3 for a couple of days I can give my opinion:
The only dissapointments of this game in comparison with the original is:
- easy enemies in general
- easy super mutants, which I think is a pity because they were something to be very afraid of in the earlier games, now I killed 2 of them when I was lvl 3.

And that was it, all the other things are great and don't get it why people complain so much about it, I really liked the original fallout but it's in no way superior to fallout 3 except the enemies difficulty.

Yea the only thing i think i hate about super mutants now are that they are annoying and just a waste of time due to the easier killable style.

Today I killed one with my .32 pistol easily... enough said. I haven't run into a deathclaw yet so I hope they're a bit of fun =).

You might not get it. That's fine. But at least respect other people's opinion, no matter how critical or congratualatory it may be. I played Fallout 3 solid for a month before I decided there was too much wrong with it. I'm just glad you're enjoying yourself

I agree with the op.
Somehow I always felt that F3 is some sort of a trial-game for B to see how they interact with the franchise - hence the recycling of used ideas - and F4 could be "THE" Fallout game for (and from) them.

I'd imagine a guy that finds a "gold" watch, bites it, scowls, and tosses it away, as thinking rather along the same lines... and throwing away a perfectly good platinum watch. :rolleyes:

I'd agree with that. It seems they were testing the waters to some degree this time around. Rather than building improvements on an existing game, this particular "sequel" is actually closer to a series reboot than anything else. There's alot they've done from the ground up, so not everything is guaranteed to work just right. (In the same way that many games don't really realize their full potential until the second or third game in the series.)

If that's the case, it would seem to have taken a direction of "How much stupidity can we get away with before everyone gets mad?".

Sadly, I don't think they are anywhere near that point yet.

On a largely unrelated note....THE PPSh-41 is NOT a shotgun dammit. Sorry, it's been bugging me the whole damn time I've been playing the game.

I just read the perklist for BS and.... I think you're probably right. :sadvaultboy:
But I still faintly stand by my feel that this f3 is trying to see how much the ice holds, and hoping that at least some of the flak is taken heed to.



Agreeing here.

I didn?t meant to offend anyone, sorry if I did. I respect anyone's opinion if it's based on good arguments, and most people have good arguments, but I just don't agree with them. I have played fallout 1 extensively, but I did not play fallout 3 much because I just got it so i'll get back to this forum after I played this one for a long time to see if I still have the same opinion =).

So that practically means that you see no difference (in quality at least) in storyprogression, storytelling and dialogue between Fallout 1 and Fallout 3? Because these things, along with creating a character and feeling (or not feeling) the consequences of your point-distribution in SPECIAL alone, are to me the most important and enjoyable things in the series. There is definitely a difference noticable between Fallout 1 and 3. Story and dialogue is much better to me in Fallout 1, it was one of the more important things in the series, but it isn't anymore in Fallout 3, and SPECIAL is more of a gimmick now than it is taken really seriously in gameplay.

I dislike rephrased arguments.

Like it or not, understand it or not, there are those of us who like FO3 at least as mucha s FO1/2. Yes, there are different STYLES of games. Makes no difference.

You're guilty of that. Something to keep in mind.

Though I agree. Twisting someone's words isn't very constructive. But the Fallouts, at least, should be comparative with eachother. Unlike constant references to other titles, even if they are synonymous with the developers in question. Otherwise what's the point of different series' existing, if they're just to imitate eachother's aspects within a different theme.

Ofcourse I see differences, hell of a lot. But taking all of the pro's and cons of both games, it's almost a tie for me (fallout 1 being slightly better, say fallout 3 score is 95%, fallout 1 is 98%). You know why? Yes, the atmosphere in fallout 1 was awesome and immersive, but so is fallout 3 and I will tell you the difference now.
Atmosphere differences
Fallout 1:
- Had an almost sick atmosphere, you could feel the tension in the air of things lurking in the world map when travelling, just waiting to rip you guts out.
- After my first hostile supermutant encounter I was afraid all game long untill I got power armor of another encounter, super mutants we're something to be very afraid of which added to the tension
- Deathclaws, they had some mistery just like the super mutants, agile and strong *shivvers
- stumbling on some very twisted NPC's, and the more you talked to them the more twisted they turned out to be
- ^ in there were some pretty twisted jokes too
All these things (and there are many more) added a lot to the game

Fallout 3:
- 3d world; everything feels more real, more 'alive' and dynamic which is good for immersion
- now when you encounter a super mutant he may not be hard to kill but he sure still has mistery around him and isn't very pretty to look at in 3d
- The bear-like beasts, Yao Guai they are very scary, when I first met one my character almost crapped his pants...lucky for me sam warrick distracted him (have not encountered a deathclaw yet...I am very curious...)
- Good conversations with good lines of text and good voice acting
- an own house/room = more immersion in the world
- the cities and places of interest are very well done and feel real
- just the overall conversion from 2d to 3d (VATS,the world) all is very well done and most elements of fallout have been preserved. And some things cannot be explained, like the feeling when you walk around in this world...amazing that's one ofthe main reasons I think this game is so well done.


Character Development

The original fallouts had a very strict character development, which was fun and stylish to play with (if you made the right choices). Fallout 3 has a les strict character system but it is still as much fun to play with I think, you get more out of 1 playtrough this way and experience many sides of your character as you would in real life, so fallout 3 is a bit more towards realism, but I can see why some people don't like this, after all it's a game and it doesn't have to be realistic.

At first when I began typing this post, i'd imagine it to be a lot easier then actually coming up with good arguments, but I tried hard so don't blame me:P . I think some things are better left unsaid and unexplained because you can't really explain why or how things feel when experiencing it. So for my personal feelings fallout 1 is just slightly better then part 3, and 3 has done a great job.

After reading 5 pages of the same thing different game I must say that people today really really need to be thankful for what they have. Now I have not played the first two but in a way I am glad I have not had the chance simply because they way alot of you describe the game machanics. I know how you feel about this small company versus that company. Ive been playing games for a good 25 yrs now I must tell you that I never heard of Fall Out before now.

This tells me a few things about the original company that made the game. One the first two games might have been good games but not great. Because obviously not every joe shmoe and his/her brother was scrambling to get it at the times of they releasaed the first 2. Now I personally know atleast 7 peeps in RL who I talk to play FO3 now that had not heard of the previous games. They also know Fallout Lore because of it. Also the company in question seems to be in a bit of financial trouble. In today's market you need to balance what you put into a game and how fast you release. If you lean to far either way your going to fail. No way around it.


Bethesda games wanted to continue the Fall Out series but also make it there own as well. from the dialog I see in FO3 and from what I have read in the cannon through various websites I think they did a good job on not straying to far from cannon yet continueing it the direction they want. "Where one person fails another succeeds" comes to mind but in a good way. This tells me they had some respect for the previous games and it's fan base. Something you should consider the next time you bash a company.

Before any of you get the idea of saying I do not know where your coming from because I never played the previous two I will say this.

I am a avid C&C fan and loved the Tiberium Sun series and supported West Wood.

Mass market appeal is not the same thing as quality. FO1 and 2 were simply not targeted at the mainsteam audience, they were more niche titles.

Have you played Planescape, Baldur's gate series, or Icewind dale series? All made IIRC from the same company. Black isles studios. BTW FO3 largely doesn't not follow the FO canon so if all the lore they know is from FO3 most of it is plain wrong....

Which is why the franchise failed until another company took it over.

When it comes to Cannon and RPG I take it very seriously as a gamer. Your talking to a Zelda and D&D fan. Ive done enough reading to know the cannon in FO is not far off from the original series.

I think no matter what beth did to FO 3 alot of you simply would come up with another reason to bash the game simply on the reason it was not made by the company you support. Even if they had followed the cannon to a "T" and used the same machanics to the exact dotted "i" you would find somthing to complain about and launch some pointless campain to boycott the company. I know I use to think the same way.

This convincing argument again?

The franchise didn't fail. Interplay decided to axe Van Buren in favour of another title, that if I recall correctly, was a complete failure. Black Isle was then cut, and the license eventually went up for sale.

You haven't done your research, there is no point arguing something you have no clue about.


The canon is far enough from what is already established. You might not understand the significance, but it was one of Fallout's strengths. More to the point nothing needed to be replaced, Bethesda just didn't want to take the time to remain true to it. Their story and concepts seem to be quite rushed also, I think they spent most of their time on art direction and level design, not very strong aspects on their own.

You think wrong, I'm afraid. You cannot speak for other people and the reasons behind their opinions. You can't accept people don't like FO3, or even that they think the series could have enjoyed a better sequel, no-one will be entirely bothered by that but you. Canon should have been addressed to the letter, yes. No-one agrees FO3 should have been a carbon copy of the originals, however. Your conjecture is less than informed. And ironically, you seem to be the only one that used to think that way.

Wow....... talk about being hostile. Do not presume to think you know what I know. Speaking for other people I am not, however it is very true. You cannot please everyone no matter what you do. As far as lvl's and art I think they did a very good job. People like you pass off your opinion as fact and anything else is incorrect. When it is just your personal opinion. Regaurdless how the franchise failed it failed no way around it. Had Bethesda not bought he license chances are FO would be on some back water forum no one visits but the die hard fans.