Hi!

What the hell is Divath Fyr?How can he live "today" ?Is he inmortal?A lich?

It appears you have the idea of a lich misunderstood. Lichs are powerful skeletal wizards. Divayth is just old as hell, due to magic no doubt; also, he is a Telvanni, who are powerful mages.

edit: Fixed a statement.... It just sounded stupid...

He may employ some necromantic means just like the other Telvanni do to live longer, but he's no lich. Generally, the more you deal with magick the more it becomes a part of you; Fyr is a Dunmer Telvanni that's in the Psijic Order who plays around with Corprus and was friends with gods, he's delved deeper than most everybody on Nirn, and I'd assume living awhile longer is one of the benefits he's reaped...

Lichdom is the ultimate state that a necromancer seeks to attain. It is a very powerful undead state, attained through great necromantic power and a fun little ceremony.

Fyr is very alive, however. But he is also a Telvanni Mage-Lord. They like to use magic (including necromantic arts) to sustain their bodies for a very long time. He isn't a Lich, but he is very, very old, and very, very powerful.

He obviously got Corprus disease and was the first person to cure it. Corprus Disease removes aging and the ability to die of natural causes.

Liches are powerful Necromancers who sacrifice their morality to become immortal. However it isn't the only way to become immortal (*cough cough* Vampires *cough cough*)

No. Fyr is genuinely surprised when you pull through his treatement. None of his other test subjects survived. "I've got a potion. In theory, it should cure corprus. Doesn't work, though. Probably kill you. Killed all my test subjects. But you've got nothing to lose." And when the cure does work on you, he states that "I'll go try it out on some of the more desperate inmates." So no, he didn't obviously get Corprus, though he was probably the first to cure it. But considering how he created his daughters through his research into corprus, it might not be a stretch to conclude it somehow aided his longevity.

Still, it's a tenet in fantasy games that wizards live for a long time. Just a fact of magical life. This is reflected in the statement from Uupse Fyr about Divayth's age; "And there may be some older in the West, on Summerset Isles, perhaps."--

Edited: Colossal WTF slipup.

Well,but a lich can drain magicka to disguise his true form uh?

Yes,but I do not think a lich would try to cure the world of the divine disease;or free his slave;or have the compassion to shelter the lands most ill people.A lich is for the most part very power hungery and self serving.Could he be;mabey?But it just doesn't seem to fit.

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I bet your a fiver i'll become a lore-khan before you

It was always the conclusion I jumped to that he dosen't have it, but he created his own mini-corprus using his research to make his daughters. So maybe that helped, but i'm thinking since it's mini corprus it dosen't have much for longevity.

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He's not a Lich, just someone with a lot of Magicka (the variation of 'stuff' aligned with Anu) in him. Basically, the way I see it, powerful wizards don't age as quickly in large part because they are, to some degree, shielded from entropy and decay by their Magicka reserves. [crazy BS] Also, he could be a clone (he does have five female near-clones), or quite literally abandon reality for stints and pull a fae-touched to live for so long. I mean, even if he didn't have within him the power to leave Nirn by himself, he's probably powerful enough to of used the dragon-break to tear himself to pieces (he is very powerful). Perhaps he only lives for maybe four hundred years (my estimation of the life span of an Altmer with decent access to medical care, not unreasonable for a Dunmeri Psijiic Telvanni), but split himself eight ways, had/has half meet up at the start of their lives while the other half are at their ends, then switches those groups around at some other point, and lives in an infinite recursive loop including thousands of years. Perhaps he actually started as an Altmer, then became a chimer, then a Dunmer, and in one of his meetings actually became the first Dunmer ever?! And, considering that dragon breaks occur whenever gods are made, and not just the Daggerfall ascensions but also (iirc) both Tiber Septim and the Tribunal happened within the last 3k years, he, if he also used these dragon breaks, could probably extend his life so long as to exist for as long as the Mundus! Yeah, actually, that would give him powers he obviously doesn't have, and if it took the help of Nervar's spirit (a spirit of such strength that it is probably a demigod) to cure corprus (I mean, why else would it be that only the Nerevarine actually lived through the cure), then the Jills would of kicked his ass when he tried to pull that stunt.[/crazy BS]

I remember hearing something about Dark Elves having naturally long lives as long as they are in good health.....up to thousands of years. I dont remember who said it but Baladas Demnevanni and Divayth Fyr both come to mind. Also, doesnt anyone else notice that contained in Divayth Fyrs tower are a number of artifacts specifically out of TES: Redguard? The Daedric crescent and the Cuirass of the Saviours Hide, for example?

A. He's an elf.

B. He's a sorcerer.

As such, he can stay alive for a really, really long time.

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What about If he created a "son" and transplanted his "soul/brain/heart" to him?

Those who attribute Fyr's longevity to his Corprus research must remember that the disease has only been around for the last four or five hundred years. That leave three and a half millenia unaccounted for, far in excess of an ordinary elven lifespan.

its unknown how old he actually is, but hes probably old enough to know the truth of the Temple (as most telvanni mage-lords do)..

There are many reasons:

1.as many have said, he has craploads of magicka

2. Of course he is a telvanni, and so likely used quite a few magical means to preserve himself before he even knew about corprus.

3. Azura perhaps believed she could use him to cure Nerevar's corprus disease.(we don't know exactly how much Azura knows, It's possible that she foresaw the whole thing with the tribunal killing Nerevar, and planned for it from the beginning.) So it's possible she gave him a gift of longevity

4. He may have some knowledge of how to preserve himself with his corprus research, or just from creating his daughter wives he may have learned a way to manipulate his age.

On the contrary, this is the place that would happen.

It is interesting that you guys mention his 'daughters' - read clones with a gene-switch!!! If they are undead it is likely he would be undead. Do you believe his daughters are undead?

I think people see him and other Telvanni Lords as potentially undead because they have that drained look - but that is the natural consequence of extreme old age and excessive partying that all ancient Dunmer achieve eventually.

Also you have to consider that Divath is a plains traveller - he has not lived all his life on Nirn as others have done. Just going to Oblivion does not make you Daedric or immortal - unlikely for the other plains either, but in his travels he will have had plenty opportunities to learn 'stuff'. And as we all know 'stuff' is very powerful and can often do 'things'.

He said his daughters were the product of corpus research, so its possible that they are well within the standard age limits for dunmer of nobility.

I honestly don't see how anyone could view Fyr as being undead.

He's an extremely old, extremely powerful wizard. What more explanation do you need? To me, it seems like common sense.


....oh no, I think it's happened. I've finally become jaded in the Lore forum.

I think he has used his great magics to become somewhat of a demigod. Connect himself to Mundus and the like. But he is like Vivec in the fact that he isn't immortal. He can be killed, but most causes are out of the question. He may be using stem cells from his clones to cure anything bad that happens to him.

Death happens because your cells die quicker than they can be reproduced. Stem cells make new cells form, he has an enormous amount of "aborted fetuses" to use, and all for himself. He probably "died" thousands of years ago, but is staying alive from transplanting the cells from his imperfect clones.