But even without the water it's still bigger then NV and 3... And they had their own share of rather big empty areas without much interest. But perhaps you think they had no content either.

Then there's Skyrims mountain areas as well...

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Yep. Nearly everything leftover in that overlay of Skyrim is inaccessible mountains.

It's not how big it is, it's what you do with it.

Wander through Downtown Boston. Look for non -boarded up doors. So many things you will find.

Agree. As I've finished the main questline, I'm wandering about exploring now and I am amazed at just how many places I've never seen before and I'm hundreds of hours in.

I agree with the posters that say that, if you just do questlines, the game seems a bit flat. I also agree with posters that say that, if you're in to exploration there are a myriad of things to do and see. I mean, it is a Beth game, after all. Exploration is the focus, not the questlines. They're just there so there's an excuse to make a game, rather than a simulation.

Skyrim certainly feels bigger. i think they may have been counting the insides of buildings / complexes when they said F4 is bigger.

on my last file I ran into the one merchant at the longneck lukowskis, and upon asking her if she wanted to go to sanctuary, I escorted her from what is effectively one side of the map to the other. even roving around her to prevent her getting attacked, clearing nearby enemies and encounters it still only took me an hour to walk the entire distance.

I remember taking longer than that to travel from one end of Skyrim to the other, and that was with a horse.

Um ... not sure what roads you used but end to end on horseback in Skyrim doesn't take nearly that long. You can find YouTube vids of people running across Skyrim in 14 minutes.

But again FO4 is dense. It can take me days in game just to walk from point A to point B because I keep filling up with loot from encounters on the way there and have to go back to drop it off at base.

It's actually amazing how many places you can get to in the mountains, especially if you take a 4x4, errr, I mean horse.

"DLC's better be huge"?


Sounds like you were gonna say "or, else"...

...so, were ya? Were you gonna say "or, else", Travis?

True! But they're not exactly brimming with content.

After a month with Fallout 4, I decided to dust off my Skyrim copy last week. Man, I can't describe how absorbed I am, even though I prefer guns to swords and magic. I plan to say on Skyrim for a while . . .

We're gonna get the dog armor DLC first which will be 5.99 for a total of seven armors. Good [censored], kek.

Seriously though, I'm not worried about the size of Beths DLC. I'm sure that just like in past games the DLC will be huge and add tons of more hours for players to devote themselves to. What worries me is the thought of having DLC radiant quests.

I replayed the hell out of every other bethesda game because there was stuff to do. F4 has about as many quests as a single skyrim guildline and ive seen everything in the game there are no interesting places, just endless empty stores with generic scrap.

Honestly I will wait several months after their Launch to get any DLC. Gonna wait for them to patch the DLC so that I will not be paying to be a beta tester.

+100 !!!

The games not short by general standards, but I've spent more time with other Bethesda titles. I'm about 125 hours into my first playthrough and have done every single marked quest and the majority of the miscellaneous. I've found every bobblehead and over 100 magazines. I also have platinumed it using save points on my PS4. All this and in total I've probably spent close to 150 hours across multiple "save files" (not playthroughs). Is there still stuff to do? I haven't discovered every location, magazine, or completed ALL misc/unmarked quests. I could probably spend another 25 hours "cleaning up" and double that working on settlements.

I don't see people getting more than 150 hours (give or take) of fresh content on a single playthrough. That's not including all the settlement building, crafting, and radiant questing (which is disinteresting IMO). The true fans could easily play hundreds of hours across multiple playthroughs (I frankly have don't time). Overall, I'm satisfied with my experience with the game and it definitely met my expectations.

In terms of DLC, I'm in the camp that believes in a "less is more" approach. That's not to say less content, I'd rather see fewer DLC packs with more depth and content packed inside. The best example I can think of is Shivering Isles. A totally new area that felt fresh and original, along with a solid main quest and an abundance of side quests. I really don't want some mini DLC that's going to give me 4-5 hours of content and then wait several months for the next one.

And I do not believe you. There is no way in 150 hours you did all of that unless you have completely ignored settlement building entirely (which I see you have so about a 1/3rd of the content including all the MM content is gone), not done any exploring and simply run through the main quests. The main quest alone is going to run you at least 40 hours to run.

My save file says 5 days 7 hours. 40 hours on the main quest? That number is greatly exaggerated. If you run through the main quest start to finish without distraction you could probably complete in half of that. With distraction, yes 40 hours. I'm telling you right now that I've completed all marked quests (story or otherwise) with a few misc/unmarked that I have missed. The unmarked take a fraction of the time in most cases in comparison with the marked. I also said that I didn't count settlement building into my playthrough as it didn't interest me as much. Those interested in some of the additional features could spend 200+ hours. I'm talking original content and questing (collectibles, locations, quests). No more than 150 hours, settlement building and lollygagging aside.

"It's so small you can sprint across it in minutes"

Increased rate of travel =/= smaller map size.

The main quest isn't very long, maybe 10 hours max.
It's the side quests, exploring, hunting that makes the game longer and when creation kit comes out...

I almost filled one lvl alone just for critter/insect hunting and other hostiles I met. I have found some of mine best weapons on insect rather than raider/gunner/S M. I walk from N to S on the map and see what's waiting behind the corner, so quest locations can be filled up with respawnable elements I will do later.

Cheers,

-Klevs

I get more enjoyment with this title "lollygagging" around!

500+ ladygagaing around!

The way people on this forum d-ride Obsidian and bash Bethesda, I don't think Bethesda will let them make another Fallout while they are working on the next TES game. It might be a long time till the next Fallout game, so I definitely would want large dlcs for Fallout 4.

Then I salute you. Of course mine says 10 days and misc hours, but I know I've been playing far longer than that cause that would mean I've only played a little over 240 hours on this runthrough and I do a lot of putzing around. I could be wrong though since 150 hours is honestly 6.25 days.

Perhaps Skyrim felt bigger because there was almost always mountainous obstruction? No straight path anywhere really amps up travel time.


Also, remember how awesome the sprawling urban centers were in Skyrim, FO3, FONV? Neither do I.